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Tokens too cheap to meter

354 points · 227 comments · teoruiz

  1. cs702 · · focus · HN ↗
    I found the OP insightful and worth a read. Thank you for sharing it on HN.

    The only aspect that is poorly analyzed by the OP is business model viability. All players are investing insane amounts of money in infrastructure with the expectation that their future profits will justify all that investment. The winner or winners in the AGI race, they believe, will find the proverbial "pot of gold at the end of the rainbow."

    The OP glosses over questions of business model viability with a brief qualitative discussion and very little hard data. For example, to earn an annual return > 10% on every trillion dollars of capital sunk into infrastructure, the owners of that infrastructure must earn free cash flow (operating profit less investment) in excess of $100 billion per year in perpetuity. Is that feasible? Why? How?

    The OP does not really consider such questions.

    1. alpineidyll3 · · focus · HN ↗
      Exactly. "Cost-to-distill" is a critical parameter. Right now usage of frontier models for all tasks is both subsidized and irrationally popular even at the subsidized price. Deepseek would solve most tasks faster and 10x cheaper. I agree with the author that just as Deloitte exists, frontier labs will exist. But not because their products are proprietary technical marvels or gods, but rather because of branding.
      1. ido · · focus · HN ↗
        DS wouldn't be 10x cheaper than the subsidized subscription plans from openai/anthropic. Although it is of course much cheaper than the enterprier/API pricing- I think if you're on the subscription plans, you can't beat that on performance per price.
        1. alpineidyll3 · · focus · HN ↗
          The subs plans economically temporary and don't allow you to create agents which is the dominant market for this technology. They are subsidized so you build your business processes around Claude console, but given the critical nature of the tech only a foolish or temporary business would do such a thing.
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