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  1. novia · · focus · HN ↗
    Waymo pays you $2.85 in Waymo credit to take the train

    (Waymo takes $2.85 off your next ride if you take the train)

    I live in East Bay, and I often take gratuitous Waymo trips all the way across the city to Embarcadero Station to ride BART back home. I do this because I like seeing the pretty skyscrapers and the bustling city and the pretty townhomes painted interesting colors. They may want to rethink their reward structure a bit to avoid paying out to people like me.

    1. evmar · · focus · HN ↗
      A trick I learned from an east bay friend is that (when possible) the bus across the bridge is way nicer than the BART under the bay, especially around sunset.
      1. HaloZero · · focus · HN ↗
        The NL and other transbay buses are so fantastic. They do get stuck in bridge traffic though.
        1. andrepd · · focus · HN ↗
          A bus that gets stuck in traffic is by definition a failure. It will (again by definition) never be a viable alternative to driving, meaning a reinforcing loop where more driving means more traffic for the bus to be stuck on, meaning the bus is even slower and less attractive...
          1. paavope · · focus · HN ↗
            > It will (again by definition) never be a viable alternative to driving

            I don’t follow the logic here. Why would a bus (periodically) getting stuck in traffic forever invalidate it in comparison to getting stuck in the same traffic in a car?

            1. nayuki · · focus · HN ↗
              If buses and cars participate in the same road traffic (i.e. the bus doesn't have dedicated lanes), then a bus trip will never be faster than a comparable car trip. This is because you have to walk to/from the bus stop at both ends of the journey, wait for a bus to show up, ride the bus and have it stop for other passengers, transfer between routes, the bus has slower acceleration and turning than a car, etc.

              Think about even the most strawman trip possible: A bus rider and a car driver start exactly at the location of a bus stop, the bus shows up exactly at the start time, both contestants ride/drive straight for a few kilometres (which happens to follow exactly one bus route, without changing buses; but the bus might stop a few times along the way for other passengers), and end exactly at a bus stop. The car will win every single time.

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              1. paavope · · focus · HN ↗
                Yeah, the car will be faster, unless there are accommodations that benefit the bus only (like dedicated lanes). But the bus doesn’t have to be _faster_ to be viable to many people: there are other things going for the bus like not having to park, often being cheaper especially if it allows you to not own a car, etc. etc.
                1. mitxela · · focus · HN ↗
                  A big one: no need to find parking! Or to go back to your parked car on the reverse trip. You can do a triangle trip A,B,C,A with public transit. With a car it has to be A,B,C,B,A as you left your car at B.
                  1. vel0city · · focus · HN ↗
                    I do trips like A,B,C,A all the time in a car. Sometimes even A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z,A trips in a car.

                    If you&#x27;re sprinkling in little rules like &quot;ah but you couldn&#x27;t park at C&quot;, well, &quot;the bus doesn&#x27;t go to C&quot; is also a valid restriction I run into often. So often when I take transit, its drive to train station -&gt; take train someplace -&gt; take bus someplace -&gt; walk several blocks to destination -&gt; walk several blocks back to bus stop -&gt; ride bus to train station -&gt; ride train back to train stop -&gt; take car home so a A,B,C,D,C,B,A trip is actually quite common just to do the same as A,D,A with a car.

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