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Pentagon says overreliance on AI contributed to missile strike on Iran school

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impossiblefork · 1790106526 · focus · HN ↗
Personally I'm more interested in the justification for the second and third strikes.
There needs to be some protection for first responders and others helping the injured.
1. FireBeyond · 1790106866 · focus · HN ↗
  Israel likes to argue that Hamas embeds fighters with first responders, which even if so, they're still responding to injured. But Israel considers this not even collateral damage but justified.
  Mind you Israel is currently funding a lobbyist organization in the UK to flag Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) as a terrorist group (because many years ago a couple of people who had affiliations with other anti-Israel groups were found to be also affiliated with MSF).
  1. FireBeyond · 1790115333 · focus · HN ↗
    Responding here to answer the dead comment which feels entirely disingenuous.
    No-one mentioned "using ambulances as cover". That is separate from "enemy combatants are acting in a first responder capacity, but are still enemy combatants, therefore the entire first response effort is a viable target". That is a war crime that Israel regularly likes to commit.
    > These are the same people who view women as property, homosexuality as a reason for execution, and 13 years olds as viable brides.
    Halacha? Acquiring your wife through kiddushin? Only a husband can issue a get (divorce document)? Women in agunahs (dead marriages)? Sounds like property to me.
    Rabbinic law makes capital punishment effectively impossible, but the Orthodox sects do everything possible to punish: disownment, both family and social and actual exile from physical communities.
    Don't girls reach halachic adulthood at 12?
    And lets not throw stones here. Even in the US, you can get married with parental consent or a judge's consent at any age in Mississippi, New Mexico and Oklahoma.
    You can get married at 15 in Hawaii and Kansas.
    You are "grandfathered" into sexual consent (not as in "accepting of marital rape" but "it's no longer statutory rape if she's your wife") when you do so.
    So we may not want to be lording it too much on some guise of moral superiority, particularly given that most of the marriages that happen at those ages are not "young couple got pregnant, want to do the right thing" but "older man in conservative/religious community saw young vulnerable girl and decided he had to have her".
    hackernud3s · 1790122469 · focus · HN ↗
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    newspaper1 · 1790123850 · focus · HN ↗
    The US and Israel have murdered far, far more innocent people than Hamas. Hamas are resistance that killed < 2,000 Israelis (most of which were both in and killed by the IDF). The US has killed millions of innocent people in the last century alone, many for the benefit of Israel.
    What the US/Israel have done in Gaza is orders of magnitude worse than anything Hamas has done and that's not even touching Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan...
    hackernud3s · 1790128757 · focus · HN ↗
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    defrost · 1790129016 · focus · HN ↗
    > You can also easily park that full death toll on Hamas since they started it.
    Doubtful - they were only founded in 1987. If you check news reports there's been back and forth killing in that region going back decades prior to '87.
    hackernud3s · 1790129752 · focus · HN ↗
    I'm only going back to Oct 7 attacks. You can put the full death toll that followed on Hamas since that was their goal with the hostage-taking in the first place.
    chmod775 · 1790131725 · focus · HN ↗
    Well, but I'm only going back to Oct 8th! Gotcha!
    "Who started it" is a stupid and pointless question to begin with, but now we're reaching new heights.
    If both sides are comitting warcrimes, both sides must be condemned and sanctioned. It's not about who is committing warcrimes harder or who was first.
    kakacik · 1790147238 · focus · HN ↗
    This is correct approach, both sides are beyond abhorable in their own special ways and any decent human being with understanding of current situation and historical path leading to it has no reason to support either.
    One side shouting the other is worse because XYZ is childish, not factual.
    Abhorable, both, thats it.
    newspaper1 · 1790171711 · focus · HN ↗
    Anyone with a decent historical understanding would support Hamas, just like people who know history support the Haitian slave rebellion. People have a right to resist occupation and genocide.
    chmod775 · 1790204735 · focus · HN ↗
    What a strange world we live in. I never expected to see someone on HN openly supporting the murder of civilian men, women and children for the crime of living in a country that is at war with the perpetrators. That's a psychopaths twisted understanding of "eye for an eye" justice.
    newspaper1 · 1790204941 · focus · HN ↗
    This isn't taking my argument in good faith. Occupation resistance is none of the things you've stated and the reality of Zionism doesn't match your description, even remotely. If people break into your house, murder your family, then move in. You have every right to fight back. This is a historical standard well accepted by international groups. The Haitian Slave revolt, Pueblo revolt and Warsaw rebellion are all other analogous examples.
    chmod775 · 1790205038 · focus · HN ↗
    Fighting back is legitimate. Doing so by essentially any means is not. The murder of civilians is where any side loses my support.
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    newspaper1 · 1790205117 · focus · HN ↗
    They're not "civilians" if they're living on stolen land. Again, this is a very well accepted standard.
    chmod775 · 1790205356 · focus · HN ↗
    We all live on land that at some point someone else considered their own.
    Also I can tell just and unjust apart on my own, and I do not need some "international group" or "historical standard" to stand in for my frontal lobe and morals. Thank you very much.
    newspaper1 · 1790205520 · focus · HN ↗
    We do live on stolen land, and when the indigenous fought back and killed people living on that land it was valid resistance:
    <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pueblo_Revolt" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pueblo_Revolt
    > I do not need some "international group" or "historical standard" to replace my frontal lobe and cognitive empathy. Thank you very much.
    While understandable, this is a privileged take from someone who didn't have their family murdered by occupiers.
    chmod775 · 1790205633 · focus · HN ↗
    History was barbaric and abhorrent. I'd rather aim higher than use it justify modern-day cruelty.
    newspaper1 · 1790205719 · focus · HN ↗
    But this is the point! Israel and the Zionists are reenacting the worst crime in human history (the genocide and colonization of the Americas). They are, in 2026 doing what the Spanish did in the 1600s and getting the same resulting rebellion from the occupied people.
    chmod775 · 1790205782 · focus · HN ↗
    > But this is the point! Israel and the Zionists are reenacting the worst crime in human history (the genocide and colonization of the Americas). They are, in 2026 doing what the Spanish did in the 1600s and getting the same resulting rebellion from the occupied people.
    Yes, but I will still condemn both sides, even if one is merely responding in kind. If it was in my power, I'd lock them all up. Hamas' and Israel's leadership, as well as anyone who directly comitted those acts.
    Then I'd replace that two-state nonsense with something democratic similar to Lebanon's solution of accomodating multiple major religions.

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