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1. impossiblefork · 1790106526 · focus · HN ↗

   Personally I'm more interested in the justification for the second and third strikes.

   There needs to be some protection for first responders and others helping the injured.

   1. FireBeyond · 1790106866 · focus · HN ↗

      Israel likes to argue that Hamas embeds fighters with first responders, which even if so, they're still responding to injured. But Israel considers this not even collateral damage but justified.

      Mind you Israel is currently funding a lobbyist organization in the UK to flag Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) as a terrorist group (because many years ago a couple of people who had affiliations with other anti-Israel groups were found to be also affiliated with MSF).

      1. FireBeyond · 1790115333 · focus · HN ↗

         Responding here to answer the dead comment which feels entirely disingenuous.

         No-one mentioned "using ambulances as cover". That is separate from "enemy combatants are acting in a first responder capacity, but are still enemy combatants, therefore the entire first response effort is a viable target". That is a war crime that Israel regularly likes to commit.

         > These are the same people who view women as property, homosexuality as a reason for execution, and 13 years olds as viable brides.

         Halacha? Acquiring your wife through kiddushin? Only a husband can issue a get (divorce document)? Women in agunahs (dead marriages)? Sounds like property to me.

         Rabbinic law makes capital punishment effectively impossible, but the Orthodox sects do everything possible to punish: disownment, both family and social and actual exile from physical communities.

         Don't girls reach halachic adulthood at 12?

         And lets not throw stones here. Even in the US, you can get married with parental consent or a judge's consent at any age in Mississippi, New Mexico and Oklahoma.

         You can get married at 15 in Hawaii and Kansas.

         You are "grandfathered" into sexual consent (not as in "accepting of marital rape" but "it's no longer statutory rape if she's your wife") when you do so.

         So we may not want to be lording it too much on some guise of moral superiority, particularly given that most of the marriages that happen at those ages are not "young couple got pregnant, want to do the right thing" but "older man in conservative/religious community saw young vulnerable girl and decided he had to have her".

         1. hackernud3s · 1790122469 · focus · HN ↗

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            1. Ozzie_osman · 1790136235 · focus · HN ↗

                 > The US is morally superior in every way that counts.
               

               This in a thread about how the US bombed a school.

               1. kakacik · 1790146362 · focus · HN ↗

                  You can't argue using facts with... non-smart patriots for example to be very, very polite. Samuel Johnson has a nice famous quote on that.

                  US can be superior in many ways, ie military or economy but morality? Damn sorry this one is pure wishful fantasy when looking at historical facts and various, often failed invasions killing millions of civilians.

                  The idea of US 'winning' with Iran is as plausible as US winning against Vietcong or Taliban. But not even knowing difference between typical arabs and persians and never even visiting those countries never stopped internet warriors from having very strong opinions, did it.

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