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Pentagon says overreliance on AI contributed to missile strike on Iran school

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impossiblefork · 1790106526 · focus · HN ↗
Personally I'm more interested in the justification for the second and third strikes.
There needs to be some protection for first responders and others helping the injured.
1. FireBeyond · 1790106866 · focus · HN ↗
  Israel likes to argue that Hamas embeds fighters with first responders, which even if so, they're still responding to injured. But Israel considers this not even collateral damage but justified.
  Mind you Israel is currently funding a lobbyist organization in the UK to flag Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) as a terrorist group (because many years ago a couple of people who had affiliations with other anti-Israel groups were found to be also affiliated with MSF).
  1. boxed · 1790144001 · focus · HN ↗
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    tintor · 1790145521 · focus · HN ↗
    Your source is an Israel website.
    ShinyLeftPad · 1790145708 · focus · HN ↗
    Do you like MSF as the source?
    - <a href="https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/statement-killing-fadi-al-wadiya" rel="nofollow">https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/statement-killi...
    - <a href="https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/doctors-without-borders-says-gunmen-are-using-a-gaza-hospital-posing-risk-to-patients-and-staff-eff24746" rel="nofollow">https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/doctors-without-border...
    FireBeyond · 1790180554 · focus · HN ↗
    Okay. This absolutely sounds like the response of a terrorist organization:
    > MSF had no indication that Fadi Al Wadiya might have been involved in military activity of any kind prior to his killing by the Israeli Forces. If the Israeli authorities had any reliable information about Fadi’s involvement in military activity, they never shared it with MSF either prior to his killing or when we reached out immediately after he was killed to ask for clarifications around the circumstances of his death.
    > We would never knowingly employ people engaging in military activity. Any employee who engages in military activity would pose a danger to our staff and patients.
    So let me ask you, is MSF a terrorist or terrorist supporting organization. If so, why?
    ShinyLeftPad · 1790187248 · focus · HN ↗
    I would never call it a terrorist organization, you're moving goalposts
    The wording was "a couple of people who had affiliations with other anti-Israel groups were found to be also affiliated with MSF"
    Which is objectively correct. And that comment was flagged for it.
    FireBeyond · 1790198881 · focus · HN ↗
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    ShinyLeftPad · 1790214626 · focus · HN ↗
    I replied to somebody who didn't believe that people in MSF recently were found to have affiliations with a terrorist organization, because of the source.
    That's the goalpost.
    boxed · 1790260608 · focus · HN ↗
    Well you moved the goalpost of your original comment that I replied to. "many years ago" is indeed this year. And we know for a fact that they were terrorists because they have obituaries celebrating them as martyrs by hamas or islamic jihad. But my comment was flagged even though it was true, and yours was not even though it was false.
    The world we live in eh?
    boxed · 1790172331 · focus · HN ↗
    Hamas and Islamic Jihad says stuff like this themselves openly and frequently.

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