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Pentagon says overreliance on AI contributed to missile strike on Iran school

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impossiblefork · 1790106526 · focus · HN ↗
Personally I'm more interested in the justification for the second and third strikes.
There needs to be some protection for first responders and others helping the injured.
1. FireBeyond · 1790106866 · focus · HN ↗
  Israel likes to argue that Hamas embeds fighters with first responders, which even if so, they're still responding to injured. But Israel considers this not even collateral damage but justified.
  Mind you Israel is currently funding a lobbyist organization in the UK to flag Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) as a terrorist group (because many years ago a couple of people who had affiliations with other anti-Israel groups were found to be also affiliated with MSF).
  1. FireBeyond · 1790115333 · focus · HN ↗
    Responding here to answer the dead comment which feels entirely disingenuous.
    No-one mentioned "using ambulances as cover". That is separate from "enemy combatants are acting in a first responder capacity, but are still enemy combatants, therefore the entire first response effort is a viable target". That is a war crime that Israel regularly likes to commit.
    > These are the same people who view women as property, homosexuality as a reason for execution, and 13 years olds as viable brides.
    Halacha? Acquiring your wife through kiddushin? Only a husband can issue a get (divorce document)? Women in agunahs (dead marriages)? Sounds like property to me.
    Rabbinic law makes capital punishment effectively impossible, but the Orthodox sects do everything possible to punish: disownment, both family and social and actual exile from physical communities.
    Don't girls reach halachic adulthood at 12?
    And lets not throw stones here. Even in the US, you can get married with parental consent or a judge's consent at any age in Mississippi, New Mexico and Oklahoma.
    You can get married at 15 in Hawaii and Kansas.
    You are "grandfathered" into sexual consent (not as in "accepting of marital rape" but "it's no longer statutory rape if she's your wife") when you do so.
    So we may not want to be lording it too much on some guise of moral superiority, particularly given that most of the marriages that happen at those ages are not "young couple got pregnant, want to do the right thing" but "older man in conservative/religious community saw young vulnerable girl and decided he had to have her".
    hackernud3s · 1790122469 · focus · HN ↗
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    breezybottom · 1790124360 · focus · HN ↗
    Clearly Americans are ok with it, because that's how they vote. West Virginia didn't raise the age of marriage to 16 until 2023, after years of staunch Republican opposition.
    hackernud3s · 1790128918 · focus · HN ↗
    Is your point that America was once okay with child brides and has since changed it's mind? If so I agree.
    breezybottom · 1790177940 · focus · HN ↗
    Who is "America"? California still has no minimum age. Most Republicans still oppose age limits.
    _heimdall · 1790151986 · focus · HN ↗
    That's not an accurate representation of West Virginia law.
    The age of consent for marriage is 18. A marriage license may be given to a person at least 16 years old given consent from their legal guardian and that the person they are marrying is no more than 4 years older than them. [1]
    But yes, until 2023 there was no age requirement as long as their legal guardian consented. [2]
    Your issue raised here really boils down to whether its okay for parents to determine what is best for their child or if the state needs to decide that.
    [1] <a href="https://code.wvlegislature.gov/48-2-301/" rel="nofollow">https://code.wvlegislature.gov/48-2-301/ [2] <a href="https://theamm.org/articles/1625-west-virginia-updates-age-requirements-to-marry-bans-marriage-for-children-under" rel="nofollow">https://theamm.org/articles/1625-west-virginia-updates-age-r...
    philipwhiuk · 1790159156 · focus · HN ↗
    > A marriage license may be given to a person at least 16 years old given consent from their legal guardian and that the person they are marrying is no more than 4 years older than them.
    Why?
    _heimdall · 1790167819 · focus · HN ↗
    Why not? The age of 18 is an arbitrary cultural norm, I'd ask why the state has to step in and enforce it as opposed to letting the parent or legal guardian decide.
    breezybottom · 1790177882 · focus · HN ↗
    Because society has an interest in preventing girls from being sex trafficked by their parents.
    _heimdall · 1790205548 · focus · HN ↗
    That doesn't track. Sex trafficking is already a crime, preventing the parties involved from getting a marriage license won't stop it.
    Also its interesting that you are only concerned when the under 18 individual is a girl.
    breezybottom · 1790250184 · focus · HN ↗
    I literally just said that it's not a crime in several states if the parents do it.
    _heimdall · 1790387978 · focus · HN ↗
    I must have misread your comment orisunderstood. Where did you say that in this chain of comments?

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