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1. msh · 1790101415 · focus · HN ↗

   I dont understand why there is not a gpt-6 terra?

   1. blovescoffee · 1790101601 · focus · HN ↗

      It wasn't really used enough and it sat in an awkward middle space between luna and sol where either luna high/xhigh or sol med were better cost/perf wise

      1. OutOfHere · 1790101835 · focus · HN ↗

         I don't agree. In "none" thinking mode, Terra serves a useful purpose where high but not top-tier intelligence is needed. Luna doesn't cut it.
   2. Tadpole9181 · 1790101621 · focus · HN ↗

      It probably didn't see that much use, as it struggled to find a niche. If you wanted intelligence tasks, Sol was cheap enough and much smarter. If you wanted performance and cost-effectiveness, Luna was significantly better value while being only a little less intelligent.

      Terra ended up just being an awkward middle ground that was not particularly suited for any workload.

      1. OutOfHere · 1790101891 · focus · HN ↗

         That's bs. The users of Terra disagree. Terra is useful when high but not top-tier intelligence is needed.

         1. Tadpole9181 · 1790177572 · focus · HN ↗

            Well, naturally people who use it are doing so because they like it. But I'm sure OpenAI is looking at the relative value/usage of Terra next to the other tiers.
      2. msh · 1790101906 · focus · HN ↗

         I have found it worked quite well as the workhorse model in my hermes agent.
      3. darklinear · 1790108162 · focus · HN ↗

         I disagree. After a bit of experimenting, I actually found Terra to be a very good workhorse model on none-to-medium reasoning, and I actually quite prefer its code to Sol's in many cases. It has less of a complexity to over-complicate things. Where Sol would have a sea of try/except and recoveries for situations that are structurally impossible, Terra would just write nice, sequential code.

         Maybe for one-shotting large things Sol is better, but for prod code where I decompose into smaller tasks and read all the code I favored Terra.

         Sol 5.6 was still king for architecture/research in my workflow, though.

   3. smith7018 · 1790101730 · focus · HN ↗

      I read that there are rumors that they're getting rid of that tier. No idea where the rumor came from, though. This lends credence to it, I suppose.
   4. [deleted] · 1790102494 · focus · HN ↗

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   5. sandos · 1790103461 · focus · HN ↗

      I'm scared now, my employer only allows Luna and Terra on 5.6. I really hope they will allow Sol then on GPT 6.

      Funny thing is they very recently also set a real limit per-user/month, so why even limit the models because theyre "too expensive".

      1. apitman · 1790104102 · focus · HN ↗

         Your employer should reconsider. Sol high is cheaper than Terra max and smarter, when measured per task. ie even if tokens are more expensive Sol can often do a job with fewer tokens.
   6. miohtama · 1790103953 · focus · HN ↗

      Sol price is halved so no need for terra

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