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Aging may be a program, not a breakdown

83 points · 88 comments · elo2000

  1. jvanderbot · · focus · HN ↗
    I've always thought eternal life would steal from the next generation if resources are scarce. If your reaction times, intelligence, etc are always good, and your experience and memories get better, it just seems like you'd out compete your kids and younger cohorts. All well and good but basically stops genetic turnover that got us to this point.

    OTOH, you'd accumulate uncurable disease, injuries, etc as well. Maybe you become a disease resevoir inside your own growing family. Or you pass on as-yet-unknown genetic anomalies that are unhelpful, and you do so forever.

    Granted that's a modern take, and in particular a modern rpg-like take. Regardless though getting rid of oldies seems like a reasonable way to move a species forward if natural selection is driving "forward".

    1. pavel_lishin · · focus · HN ↗
      > If your reaction times, intelligence, etc are always good, and your experience and memories get better, it just seems like you'd out compete your kids and younger cohorts.

      On the other hand, always being around as a sort of Protector to protect your kids seems like it would generally be good for your genes. (Of course, you'd have to fight off other Protectors who are doing the same...)

      1. mnem · · focus · HN ↗
        One's kids may disagree.
      2. anonporridge · · focus · HN ↗
        Imagine still having helicopter parents at 50 years old.
        1. readthenotes1 · · focus · HN ↗
          My granddad tells the story of the time he left his parents house and they called out "Make sure to turn your burners on".

          He was in his 60s....

          Once a parent, always a parent, I guess.

      3. Kirth · · focus · HN ↗
        Finally mankind can return to it's intended 3-phase form of existence as described by Niven
      4. SoftTalker · · focus · HN ↗
        Not if that protection ended up making your offspring weaker. Some adversity is necessary to develop resilience and self-sufficiency.
      5. noosphr · · focus · HN ↗
        This is where being a real parent vs a theoretical one makes a huge difference to your take. After seeing how much damage to their kids people adapted _their_ childhood do, I've started to think that humans should die around 40 with reproduction age being between 10 to 20 - like most other great apes. It's only in increadibly stable environments that waiting for as long as we do for children that it makes sence.

        How this number is going to change in the future with exponential growth in the environment is left as an exercise to the reader.

      6. jvanderbot · · focus · HN ↗
        Right, but should your kids get your protection? You can protect them to adulthood now, even your grandkids.

        But 1000 generations of unassailable, un-evolving, 40IQ lions doesn't get you to the galaxy.

        Hey, maybe this is the fermi paradox.

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