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1. jtrn · 1790087529 · focus · HN ↗

   The correct title: Researcher brakes one specific stubborn historic enigma message with good help from Astra.

   Stubborn for a long time because the message used a completely different key from the rest of that day's traffic. Everyone assumed it shared the daily key. The original transcription had errors. The left rotor turned over at letter 72, which is rare and breaks standard crib attacks.

   What is cool, if true, is that it was a 2 day collab between the Leffer and Astra. To me this shows the importance of human in the loop, was still all also showing how immensely power of llm tools. But I think it’s getting a bit silly how much anrticles ignores the driving force (the person) in breakthroughs like this.

   1. exfalso · 1790087762 · focus · HN ↗

      Come on, the trivializations start to sound quite unfounded now. Yes, a human was needed, but no, it wasn't a "collaboration"

      1. jtmarl1n · 1790088044 · focus · HN ↗

         So the LLM would have done all of this on its own? Why is it ok to acknowledge the human was needed but it’s not a collaboration? Is there a defined percentage of ownership required to make the word collaboration valid?

         1. jstanley · 1790088726 · focus · HN ↗

            If you get someone to build you a house and they do it on their own, does that not count because they wouldn't have done it if you didn't pay them to do it?

            Technically you built it yourself and the builder was just a minor collaborator?

            1. [deleted] · 1790089273 · focus · HN ↗

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            2. cicko · 1790091284 · focus · HN ↗

               Correct. I do everything by myself.

               1. jfyi · 1790100537 · focus · HN ↗

                  I appreciate the effort that went into the verbose version of the "I made this" meme for an hn audience.

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