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I said no and Apple said yes

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  1. vitro · · focus · HN ↗
    Not trying to start flamewars, but more and more I wonder how much are people willing to put up with such practices. On linux for 15+ years and everytime I try to use mac or win, it is an ordeal. And ads. F*cking ads in a system someone has purchased. And spying. Really user hostile environment. No, thank you.
    1. tomp · · focus · HN ↗
      Because Mac laptops are lightyears ahead of any other hardware.

      Build quality (aluminum), charging (magsafe), screen resolution, battery life, noise (or lack thereof), trackpad…

      It’s like other vendors aren’t even trying.

      Also the OS mostly “just works”, just last week my Linux laptop disabled NVIDIA GPU (and almost bricked itself?? Not sure, had to fix apt) during automated updates

      1. dathinab · · focus · HN ↗
        > “just works”

        if you use distros which ship the latest _stable_ release of software

        and have enough Linux know how to fix the occasional hick up

        but it can sometimes "just work" for a long time without any issues, something I haven't exactly had with either Windows or Mac

        like my current gaming setup from a year ago(roughly) was setup once, I had to fiddle some minor tweaks during setup and since then it "just works tm". No issues, not know how needed, nothing. (At least for the Games I play.) But also not Nvidea which has in recent years increasingly more QA issues across _all_ OSes and _all_ hardware including their supper expensive AI cards... But that is more a Nvidea then a Linux Problem, by now, was different in the past.

        1. terminalbraid · · focus · HN ↗
          > and have enough Linux know how to fix the occasional hick up

          > but it can sometimes "just work" for a long time without any issues

          These are defining qualities of something that does not "just work"

          1. Geezus_42 · · focus · HN ↗
            I've never used a computer that didn't have occasional hiccups. The Mac I have for work has lots of weird bugs. One is that if it has been using WI-FI and I plug-in my dock with an Ethernet cable attached, I lose internet access because MacOS can't gracefully handle the new interface becoming available.

            I also find Apple's choice to just continually create 1G swap files until the system locks absolutely baffling.

            1. kavok · · focus · HN ↗
              Can any OS gracefully handle switching between WiFi and Ethernet without at least a blip in connectivity?
              1. dathinab · · focus · HN ↗
                if it's just about connectivity then yes, that should be normal, a OS should only switch the default interface _iff_ the interface it switches to is up and ready.

                Idk. about desktop Linux, but my phone does the (WLAN -> Mobile) switch just fine.

                If it's about _not reconnecting_ (e.g. which for many apps might require some manual pause/resume of streamed data or similar), then things are more complex as you can't keep your IP, so it then depends on weather the application uses HTTP3/Quick or similar protocols in implementations which are designed to be able to freely roll over to different IP addresses.

                So both yes and no :)

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