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I said no and Apple said yes

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  1. vitro · · focus · HN ↗
    Not trying to start flamewars, but more and more I wonder how much are people willing to put up with such practices. On linux for 15+ years and everytime I try to use mac or win, it is an ordeal. And ads. F*cking ads in a system someone has purchased. And spying. Really user hostile environment. No, thank you.
    1. tomp · · focus · HN ↗
      Because Mac laptops are lightyears ahead of any other hardware.

      Build quality (aluminum), charging (magsafe), screen resolution, battery life, noise (or lack thereof), trackpad…

      It’s like other vendors aren’t even trying.

      Also the OS mostly “just works”, just last week my Linux laptop disabled NVIDIA GPU (and almost bricked itself?? Not sure, had to fix apt) during automated updates

      1. ffsm8 · · focus · HN ↗
        You have an interesting definition of "bricked"

        That's defined as "the device has become a brick, cannot be recovered". It was mostly popularized by broken firmware updates which effectively destroyed the device, as it could no longer be salvaged.

        You calling a borked package install in userspace almost bricked is telling about your technical capability.

        And I agree that people that are basically technologically illiterate should not use Linux.

        They could if someone administers it for them, but if nobody can help them - it's just not the right choice.

        1. Anoian · · focus · HN ↗
          I think this highly depends. I would feel comfortable with giving my older relatives a linux mint cinnamon machine.
          1. ffsm8 · · focus · HN ↗
            Sure, but probably only because they can call you if something happens.

            It's fine most of the time, so it's not a big deal... But if you're unwilling and they're technologically illiterate: they will not be able to recover. Apple has the genius help desk which will sort them out, with Linux... You're gonna have to find "someone", "somewhere".

            Can be done for sure, however once again: I would not recommend

            1. rpdillon · · focus · HN ↗
              > Sure, but probably only because they can call you if something happens.

              I had my parents on Linux for a hot second, and got tired of them calling me for help. So I switched them to Mac, and then I discovered they still call for help. At least with Linux I knew the system well.

              Just my 0.02, but Linux is a smarter choice today than it ever was, because AI is extremely good at fixing things. I can fix most anything on my machines, but I still use AI, because it does it while I'm doing other stuff.

              1. ffsm8 · · focus · HN ↗
                Mmh, reading your comment leaves me a little divided inside.

                Are you unaware that they likely want to talk with you, and the technological issues are likely just the vehicle for this?

                I suggest you just help them and try to savor the time you have with them. The time is likely a lot shorter then you expect. But of course, just a random bystanders perspective

                1. richie_adler · · focus · HN ↗
                  > Are you unaware that they likely want to talk with you, and the technological issues are likely just the vehicle for this?

                  Not the person you're responding to, but: They may want to learn to communicate honestly. I would find the situation described deeply irritating. Enough to cut contact for a while, even.

                  1. NamlchakKhandro · · focus · HN ↗
                    You sound like a wonderful person
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