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I said no and Apple said yes

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  1. vitro · · focus · HN ↗
    Not trying to start flamewars, but more and more I wonder how much are people willing to put up with such practices. On linux for 15+ years and everytime I try to use mac or win, it is an ordeal. And ads. F*cking ads in a system someone has purchased. And spying. Really user hostile environment. No, thank you.
    1. tomp · · focus · HN ↗
      Because Mac laptops are lightyears ahead of any other hardware.

      Build quality (aluminum), charging (magsafe), screen resolution, battery life, noise (or lack thereof), trackpad…

      It’s like other vendors aren’t even trying.

      Also the OS mostly “just works”, just last week my Linux laptop disabled NVIDIA GPU (and almost bricked itself?? Not sure, had to fix apt) during automated updates

      1. liendolucas · · focus · HN ↗
        Of course it works and is beautiful hardware and all that.

        But don't fool yourself. You're subverted to Apple's rules the same as Microsoft users are to Windows.

        I prefer to fight a little bit on an update on a unix system on something that is not working 100% to give up choices. When you use Windows, MacOS, Android you do not have choices. Choices are dictated from above, like it or not.

        As for me every time I have to interact with something that is not BSD or Linux I suffer miserably.

        1. pattle · · focus · HN ↗
          The thing is most people don't care about having a choice, they just want it to work. In fact having choice taken away from them is a good thing.

          Probably 99% of Apple / Windows users aren't very tech literate so if they have to fight an update they'll just think it's broken.

          It's just basic business practice, cater to the 99%, don't worry about the 1%

          1. someguyiguess · · focus · HN ↗
            Yeah but the 1% can still accomplish whatever they want. It just may require a bit of code. No big deal if you’re in the 1%. And you get the added benefit of automatic security updates that don’t break critical system components like what happens from time to time in every Linux distro I’ve ever used over the last 20 years.
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