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I said no and Apple said yes

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  1. vitro · · focus · HN ↗
    Not trying to start flamewars, but more and more I wonder how much are people willing to put up with such practices. On linux for 15+ years and everytime I try to use mac or win, it is an ordeal. And ads. F*cking ads in a system someone has purchased. And spying. Really user hostile environment. No, thank you.
    1. tomp · · focus · HN ↗
      Because Mac laptops are lightyears ahead of any other hardware.

      Build quality (aluminum), charging (magsafe), screen resolution, battery life, noise (or lack thereof), trackpad…

      It’s like other vendors aren’t even trying.

      Also the OS mostly “just works”, just last week my Linux laptop disabled NVIDIA GPU (and almost bricked itself?? Not sure, had to fix apt) during automated updates

      1. pjmlp · · focus · HN ↗
        At work we can choose between Apple laptops or Thinkpads, I choose thinkpads, using Windows and WSL.

        Previously either VMware Workstation or Virtual Box.

        Also I am not speaking from a position of no experience, as some projects require being assigned Mac Books, that I gladly return after delivery.

        1. prodigycorp · · focus · HN ↗
          One thing Windows did right is keyboard based navigation. Most of the general public does not know or appreciate how close to productivity nirvana the alt key brings you.
          1. bayindirh · · focus · HN ↗
            Same is possible in KDE. Combined with hot corners, you can become "blazingly fast".

            Once a colleague seeing me work looked at my screen, lifted his head and pointed to my colleague saying "Have you seen how this guy work, he's a maniac!".

            Mastering the tool you have always brings speed and smoothness into your process, one step at a time.

            1. Geezus_42 · · focus · HN ↗
              I don't feel like I've had much issue with keyboard driven workflows on any OS.
              1. bayindirh · · focus · HN ↗
                Any app can has its extensive set of keyboard shortcuts, but when it comes to DE itself, it's not always the case.

                Microsoft has Meta+ and Alt+ combinations dime a dozen, and it's consistent across versions. KDE has extensive programmability which allows you to design you own. Both allows you to pack so many features into a small number of keys and work across applications or in general without thinking.

                A terminal? It appears. A window? You call it without thinking. Ran out of space, a new desktop is just an instinct...

                1. spockz · · focus · HN ↗
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                  1. prodigycorp · · focus · HN ↗
                    I’m a Mac dude through and through but its shortcuts don’t hold a candle to windows alt shortcuts. Alt shortcuts are progressively revealed to the user and the entire UI is operable without having to memorize a series of hand cramping shortcuts.
                  2. bayindirh · · focus · HN ↗
                    I'm slightly aware of that, but I'm not sure how this works in real life where almost half of the "native" applications in macOS are Electron apps.
          2. BoxwoodSeed · · focus · HN ↗
            It's alright, but a step down from tiling window managers that you can use on Linux.
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