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People hooked on vapes try a new way to quit: cigarettes

248 points · 335 comments · alephnerd

  1. prohobo · · focus · HN ↗
    People don't understand that cigarettes are self-limiting because they literally hurt your throat and lungs. Most people simply can't chain smoke and they need about an hour break in between smokes.

    With vaping that limit is completely gone. A vaping addiction can keep escalating until you want a puff every 30 seconds, especially once you start breaking down mental barriers like "no vaping indoors" or "no vaping while on the computer", etc.

    So in terms of pure addiction I would 100% argue that cigarettes are better than vaping.

    1. m-chrzan · · focus · HN ↗
      Are you speaking at all from experience?

      >Most people [...] need about an hour break in between smokes.

      I've never seen anything like that. When there's a group of social smokers standing around, it's very common for something like "Oh, I just finished mine and you're only half-way through yours, I'll light up another one to keep you company" to happen. I've seen plenty of people who aren't chain smokers (yet), but can easily go through 2-4 cigarettes in a row if they're suddenly in a stressful situation and smoking "to relax".

      >So in terms of pure addiction I would 100% argue that cigarettes are better than vaping.

      But that's not a metric that's in any way helpful for a health decision. Nicotine in and of itself is not particularly physically harmful - it's toxic at high doses and elevates heart rate for a bit, but that's about it. The delivery method is what causes most of the harm, and smoking is 100% known to cause a lot of harm in a lot of different ways. And "With vaping that limit is completely gone" is also not accurate. Unlike the Navier-Stokes equations, dopamine receptors don't experience infinite blowup in finite time. So choosing a delivery method based on the amount of nicotine taken daily is not going to change much in terms of addiction (if you're already heavily addicted, you'll remain heavily addicted), but can have a huge impact on physical health.

      1. tomcam · · focus · HN ↗
        > Unlike the Navier-Stokes equations

        deep cut

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