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Socrates vs. the Written Word (2011)

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  1. ppsreejith · · focus · HN ↗
    It's useful to remember that Socrates was contrasting the existing Oral culture vs the emerging Literate Culture (Plato) , and the _enormous_ social differences between them. i.e not just rejecting new technology because it's new.

    Unlike Oral cultures where a point of view can be questioned and held accountable, a written version changes these expectations since it can only be conveyed one-way, i.e a trust-me mentality.

    Secondly, humans having evolved in an oral world are used to much greater exertions and development of their memory (eg: recalling and narrating complex oral epics) which writing (and later computers) greatly weaken.

    Ong makes a similar argument in Orality and Literacy (1982) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;quotes&#x2F;7182447-most-persons-are-surprised-and-many-distressed-to-learn-that" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;quotes&#x2F;7182447-most-persons-are-su...

    1. quietbritishjim · · focus · HN ↗
      &gt; Secondly, humans having evolved in an oral world are used to much greater exertions and development of their memory (eg: recalling and narrating complex oral epics) which writing (and later computers) greatly weaken

      In fairness, that is a rejection of the actual technology, not the surrounding culture.

      But the point about culture of questioning is an interesting one I hadn&#x27;t heard before.

      1. ppsreejith · · focus · HN ↗
        &gt; In fairness, that is a rejection of the actual technology, not the surrounding culture.

        Yeah, good point. At a cultural level, this was a change from an Oral world where _knowing_ what to recall, being able to, and being &#x27;witty&#x27; about it mattered a great deal; to a Literate world where things could be cited, &#x27;looked up&#x27;, and compared.

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