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Spymarks, not Watermarks

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  1. Retro_Dev · · focus · HN ↗
    Spymarks just seem like another word for <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Steganography" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Steganography. On that note, one way we can prevent it is to assert that all our content is byte-for-byte identical with the last known trusted stage of what we have produced (for example: a camera we are certain does not watermark, an image editor we are certain doesn&#x27;t watermark, an image compressor we are certain can&#x27;t watermark, etc). One vector that I am particularly concerned about is social media. Most images and videos uploaded to most social media is re-compressed by the target platform. This is a door to tracking that is far too easy for social media platforms to open. They might rationalize it (if discovered&#x2F;announced) by saying that our memes won&#x27;t be reposted, images or work stolen, etc... but honestly I&#x27;d rather my work be stolen than tracking information inserted in there. Oh, we also have stuff which is way more secure, like time-stamped cryptographic signatures.
    1. pjc50 · · focus · HN ↗
      This is a straightforward example of how the positive or negative valence of a piece of tech depends entirely on how it&#x27;s used.

      You just need to address three questions:

      - who controls what information is going in? (that is, what is the process by which the tech companies who control all the tech are using it)

      - who controls what information is coming out? (that is, is the steganographic format open enough that anyone can read it, or does it depend on having a key)

      - what legal regulation is this subject to? (does sneaking individuals name and address into their photographs incur you massive GDPR liabilities when it is discovered?)

      Note that there&#x27;s a widespread precedent: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Printer_tracking_dots" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Printer_tracking_dots

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