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1. lwansbrough · 1790024127 · focus · HN ↗

   Anyone else more excited about Chinese models than American models these days? Big thing for me is affordability.

   1. swingandamiss · 1790024322 · focus · HN ↗

      No, because I'd rather not support our economic and military rivals.

      1. lwansbrough · 1790024439 · focus · HN ↗

         I'm Canadian so this sentiment has little value in 2026 unfortunately.

         1. tancop · 1790026966 · focus · HN ↗

            I'm from Europe and I hate America way more than China now. Used to be about equal but then Trump started extorting Ukraine, threatening their own allies and sending billions to Israel to help with a genocide. I think that exposed America for what it really is.

            1. boelboel · 1790029098 · focus · HN ↗

               China is enabling russia way more than trump, China doesn't care too much about 'morals' either. Chinese companies have been quite important in the construction sector of the WB settlements. Even though I'm not a great fan of Trump I don't see a reason at all to prefer the chinese.

               1. SSLy · 1790031442 · focus · HN ↗

                  buy inference from european companies running open chinese (or that one from google) models
               2. peterashford · 1790031453 · focus · HN ↗

                  As a New Zealander, I would agree - no reason to prefer the Chinese. But Trump's America is not an attractive option either and there's no reason to prefer it. And given the choice between two ugly options, the rational choice is the cheaper one, surely.
               3. machomaster · 1790031592 · focus · HN ↗

                  China is a somewhat neutral player, supplying both Russians and Ukrainians. Their attitude and action is way less one-sided than Trump's; especially in the first year of his latest presidency.

                  1. boelboel · 1790032100 · focus · HN ↗

                     With trump his actions being one sided you mean one sided towards ukraine? They still get lots of Intel from Americans and Americans hardly but anything from Russia. But you're right that china supplies both I wouldn't exactly call that neutral as much as just in their self interest.
                  2. onemoresoop · 1790035132 · focus · HN ↗

                     How is China supplying Ukraine?

                     1. thenthenthen · 1790046443 · focus · HN ↗

                        Fiber optic cable for one
                     2. raven12345 · 1790056995 · focus · HN ↗

                        Drone components and electric batteries

                        1. andriy_koval · 1790193362 · focus · HN ↗

                           we don't really know if Ukrainians buy it on aliexpress or through European supply chains.
               4. Barrin92 · 1790033908 · focus · HN ↗

                  >China is enabling russia way more than trump, China doesn't care too much about 'morals' either

                  The difference is China has a good reason to. China doesn't look appealing because they're more moral than anyone else, but what they have going for them is that they still behave like a rational actor. At least their behavior is intelligible in terms of their own interests. The world can deal with a long term selfish superpower but not an unhinged one

                  I don't think there's a person in China that has as much of a seething hatred for America's 'allies' in Europe as J.D. Vance or half of the American techbro commentariat does

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