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NASA’s Mars Sample Return mission is dead

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  1. jumploops · · focus · HN ↗
    I worked on (a very small part of) the ExoMars rover (now called the Rosalind Franklin[0]).

    It was supposed to launch in 2018, then was pushed to the early 2020s on a Russian rocket. For obvious reasons, it got pushed again, now launching in 2028.

    The state of the world isn't great for space exploration, but I'm hopeful this mission will be revived at some point in the future.

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    1. Teever · · focus · HN ↗
      As an outsider who is very interested in space exploration I&#x27;m very flummoxed by the state of space exploration.

      With the price of launches so low compared to only 20 years ago due to advancements in launch technology and the increased cadence of launches it seems like it should be easier to do these kinds of missions and that there should be more, cheaper missions that are willing to take risks because the per mission cost is so much lower.

      Can you comment on why that doesn&#x27;t seem to be happening? Why aren&#x27;t we covering Mars in cheap rovers and satellites?

      1. nancyminusone · · focus · HN ↗
        For both operating mars rovers, the launch vehicle cost was about 10% of the total. So even if the providers paid you to launch, you&#x27;ll still be picking up 80% of the remainder. Cut the development cost by 10x? Still in the hundred million dollar range. So still only large goverments can afford. And none of them would approve a bunch of rovers, they&#x27;d just see a discount on the one rover they already don&#x27;t want to give you - &quot;you have one, isn&#x27;t that enough? Why do you need two?&quot;
        1. stefan_lec · · focus · HN ↗
          Yes, but a big reason payloads cost so much is the need for extreme mass optimization, which is driven entirely by limitations in launch technology.

          When launching large masses to high energies gets cheaper, payloads have a chance to get cheaper, too.

          1. timschmidt · · focus · HN ↗
            Not just mass optimization either. Intense effort and cost are expended through verification because a single payload simply must work. But using commodity hardware with reduced verification effort, launching many, and tolerating some amount of attrition has resulted in reduced costs for Starlink.
            1. cucumber3732842 · · focus · HN ↗
              I think if they had a big f-ing rocket at their disposal and could bundle a couple dozen of them MIRV style there would be no political downside if a bunch went splat so long as a bunch didn&#x27;t

              &quot;look guys 9&#x2F;24 of the rovers are transmitting back, great success&quot;

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