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NASA’s Mars Sample Return mission is dead

456 points · 391 comments · Muhammad523

  1. peri-cl · · focus · HN ↗
    This article only obliquely mentions in the last paragraphs, but there's a parallel Chinese program that recently brought back samples from the moon, and will attempt Mars sample return, launching in 2028,

    <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tianwen-3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tianwen-3

    1. lukeify · · focus · HN ↗
      The NASA&#x2F;ESA MSR was of substantially higher quality, mind you. The M2020 rover specifically picked up samples of high scientific value to be returned. The Chinese return mission will only return what it finds from its direct landing site.
      1. ok_dad · · focus · HN ↗
        It would be cool if NASA worked with the Chinese agency to collect those cores using their rocket, it would be a win win.
        1. duskwuff · · focus · HN ↗
          Unfortunately, they can&#x27;t:

          <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wolf_Amendment" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Wolf_Amendment

          1. joelthelion · · focus · HN ↗
            Could the Chinese mission just take the US samples without the US&#x27;s permission?
            1. Meneth · · focus · HN ↗
              Interesting question. Article VIII of the Outer Space Treaty [1] states:

              &gt; A State Party to the Treaty on whose registry an object launched into outer space is carried shall retain jurisdiction and control over such object, and over any personnel thereof, while in outer space or on a celestial body. Ownership of objects launched into outer space, including objects landed or constructed on a celestial body, and of their component parts, is not affected by their presence in outer space or on a celestial body or by their return to the Earth. Such objects or component parts found beyond the limits of the State Party to the Treaty on whose registry they are carried shall be returned to that State Party, which shall, upon request, furnish identifying data prior to their return.

              It is clear, then, that the sample containers are still the property of the US, and that if the Chinese brought them back to Earth, they would be required to give them to the US.

              [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.unoosa.org&#x2F;unoosa&#x2F;en&#x2F;ourwork&#x2F;spacelaw&#x2F;treaties&#x2F;outerspacetreaty.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.unoosa.org&#x2F;unoosa&#x2F;en&#x2F;ourwork&#x2F;spacelaw&#x2F;treaties&#x2F;o...

              1. ok_dad · · focus · HN ↗
                They should do that anyways, plus their own, and then they can be like, “when America couldn’t afford it, we stepped in for them because were good people” and it would be strictly a PR win. As long as America didn’t just destroy the sample out of spite later, they could also act nicely and maybe we’re could all get along better.
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