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NASA’s Mars Sample Return mission is dead

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  1. peri-cl · · focus · HN ↗
    This article only obliquely mentions in the last paragraphs, but there's a parallel Chinese program that recently brought back samples from the moon, and will attempt Mars sample return, launching in 2028,

    <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tianwen-3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tianwen-3

    1. notabee · · focus · HN ↗
      Anyone wanting to be involved in the future of scientific research should probably start learning Mandarin. We&#x27;re going the way of the Soviets, where political officers will quash any science that doesn&#x27;t fit their ideology. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;2026&#x2F;09&#x2F;trump-planning-to-hand-veto-power-over-nih-grants-to-political-appointee&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;2026&#x2F;09&#x2F;trump-planning-to-ha...
      1. gamblor956 · · focus · HN ↗
        where political officers will quash any science that doesn&#x27;t fit their ideology

        China also does this. We just don&#x27;t hear about it because they also quash the reporting.

        1. walrus01 · · focus · HN ↗
          Those responsible for reporting on the quashing of the reporting have been quashed.
          1. testing22321 · · focus · HN ↗
            You mean Like the Whitehouse press room today?
            1. walrus01 · · focus · HN ↗
              In the future of news, we&#x27;ll have only OANN, Breitbart, Newsmax, and whatever that &quot;newspaper&quot; is that the Moonies run. Washington Times?

              I am sure this is nothing to be concerned about whatsoever.

              1. etc-hosts · · focus · HN ↗
                Epoch Times&#x2F;Falun Dafa is sad you ignore them.
              2. bdangubic · · focus · HN ↗
                best thing as always - simply do not read the news. take care of yourself and your family, reading the news is futile. been quite some time since &quot;news people&quot; reported on actual news
        2. throwaway27448 · · focus · HN ↗
          Is there any reason to think that their &quot;ideology&quot; is contradictory to scientific findings or is this just the traditional instinct to see all foreigners as mustache-twirling villains?
          1. drjasonharrison · · focus · HN ↗
            They have suppressed reporting of the deaths and missing from Kyirong Valley and Gyirong Port landslide. Surviving relatives living outside the area would appreciate information but the Chinese Government would prefer that everyone just move along.
          2. jasonwatkinspdx · · focus · HN ↗
            I&#x27;d suggest looking into the story of Naomi Wu, who many here would know for her videos on the Chinese maker and electronics scene.

            They absolutely enforce ideological positions in opposition to science, and very aggressively so.

            There is no waffle room on this.

            1. lazide · · focus · HN ↗
              Don’t fuck with the money&#x2F;power. Always been that way, always will - ideology be damned.
            2. throwaway27448 · · focus · HN ↗
              &gt; Naomi Wu, also known as Sexy Cyborg, is a Chinese DIY maker and internet personality

              &gt; she had reported security flaws in Tencent’s Sogou keyboard drivers to Western and transnational media.

              ok, you got me, if by &quot;science&quot; you mean something completely different than academic research.

              I can understand why westerners are uncomfortable with this. I can&#x27;t find it in myself to care.

              1. jasonwatkinspdx · · focus · HN ↗
                She was forced to stop posting her content after a Vice article outed her as bisexual, so the authorities used their blanket decency law to drag her in for an interrogation and guidance session, effectively ending her channel.

                The suppression I&#x27;m talking about is the CCP rejecting that gay people exist in fact, and censoring anyone that dares to be too visibly gay.

        3. Gagarin1917 · · focus · HN ↗
          Yeah there are MAJOR reasons that a huge amount of Chinese scientists immigrate to the US every year, but almost no US scientists immigrate to China.

          These are smart people, they’re not going to make major life decisions based on simplistic takes from political opportunists.

          1. trumpdong · · focus · HN ↗
            The reason is money. The US has the world reserve currency which basically means infinite money. This will soon end and China will have the world reserve currency.
            1. r14c · · focus · HN ↗
              Its also close to impossible to immigrate to China. I&#x27;ve checked it out myself since I&#x27;m really impressed by the work Huawei is doing with high density wireless nnetworks. HK was an easier (still difficult) path, but I haven&#x27;t checked again since it changed hands.
            2. ericmay · · focus · HN ↗
              It will not end soon nor will China &quot;have the world reserve currency&quot;. The primary reason is China doesn&#x27;t want that &quot;reserve currency&quot; because they have to run structural deficits to support it, which is counter to their export-oriented economy.

              A reserve currency is just a currency that central banks and other important institutions hold in &quot;reserve&quot;. The Euro is a reserve currency, as is the Yen, Pound, and others. The American dollar is the primary one, and that usage will ebb and flow over time, but it&#x27;s arguable that no longer being the primary one is a good thing as it will make American exports more competitive among other things. I don&#x27;t think I agree but folks have very reasonable and competing takes on this.

              The world also isn&#x27;t going to adopt a Chinese currency as a reserve currency either because China would have to make liberalizing economic reforms which would run counter to the control that the CCP has over the country (why people keep forgetting that China is run by an authoritarian group is beyond me but whatever) and so they won&#x27;t make those reforms and the world just won&#x27;t adopt that currency.

          2. danny_codes · · focus · HN ↗
            US has&#x2F;had the best schools in the world. US provides&#x2F;provided remarkable academic independence (tenure, etc). US provides&#x2F;provided the best expected economic return to foreign scientists.

            As we dismantle those components via xenophobia, anti-intellectualism, funding cuts, and so on, trends will change. Already I see a substantial uptick in my PhD&#x2F;Academic friends moving to Europe as we cede our historic advantages.

            If, in say 15 years, China provides better schools, or better economic returns, or (perhaps unlikely) better independence, or all 3, then scientists will go there.

        4. anramon · · focus · HN ↗
          China is labeled an authoritarian regime while the US is labeled a liberal democracy, are you saying the behavioural standard for a liberal democracy is the behaviour of an authoritarian regime?
          1. lazide · · focus · HN ↗
            We’ve always been at war with East Asia.
          2. TitaRusell · · focus · HN ↗
            The US has a lot of rights on paper but in practice the country is run by religious nut jobs and billionaire sociopaths.

            Unfortunately all across the West we see a new desire for fascism over individualism and liberty.

            1. MentalM · · focus · HN ↗
              Oh, no! How did it happen that a country founded by religious fanatics and capitalism supporters (and who literally killed almost all natives) is run by religious nut jobs and billionaire sociopaths?
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