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U.S. Small Biz Can't Ship to the EU Anymore

62 points · 79 comments · alsetmusic

  1. gammalost · · focus · HN ↗
    I get that it is a shame for you personally. Despite this I think high processing fees are good. First of all, it addresses the issue of people in the EU importing things we really do not need. Secondly, if it is something you really want then it can be imported at a noticible (but managable) premium. If the set of die are special, then paying 3 (or even 10) euro extra would, in my opinion, be fine
    1. Pragmata · · focus · HN ↗
      >First of all, it addresses the issue of people in the EU importing things we really do not need.

      What right do you have to tell me what i do or do not need?

      What an absolutely evil stance to have.

      1. ragall · · focus · HN ↗
        He has he right, as I do, as you do, the same right as any other citizen.
        1. tygon · · focus · HN ↗
          You can feel how you wish. Few dispute one should be free to express themselves in a way that does not impact others. You can do whatever you want in your own head. It is when your views butt against others that issues inevitably arise.
          1. gammalost · · focus · HN ↗
            I do not get your point. Is it an issue that I have an opinion on policies that impact other people? Are you against the concept of causing issues?

            I think we cause issues all the time. For example, by importing trash that we do not need. It is a part of living. But the we need to address these issues, like a tax on imports. This will inevitable lead to other issues, such as the small scale import of books not being economically viable. But the fact that it causes issues is, in my mind, not a good enough argument against it. Because all things that impact other people cause issues.

      2. gammalost · · focus · HN ↗
        I want to reduce the amount of trash being shipped straight from China to our landfills. And yes, that will come at the expense of some things. Is that evil? In my opinion it is a necessary solution to a problem
        1. bromuro · · focus · HN ↗
          I think you are missing the big picture. The ones importing “trash” (as you call it) in relevant quantities are bigger businesses and companies.
          1. gammalost · · focus · HN ↗
            Sure, you are in part correct. Fast fashion, cheap electronic that breaks in a few years, and are also problems.

            But there can be more problems than one. I'm discussing the one that the article mentioned.

        2. account42 · · focus · HN ↗
          Ok, so yet another misguided eco-terrorism motivation that does nothing except reduce our quality of life.
        3. Pragmata · · focus · HN ↗
          Whats wrong with landfills?

          There is no problem here other than your eco-neuroticism. Stop doing evil things.

      3. qubex · · focus · HN ↗
        No right at all, nor do I, and indeed nobody is asserting or exerting that right: market forces will adjust prices accordingly in order to ensure that customers will be able to make purchases at the market rate (through reshipping companies, for example).
      4. all_factz · · focus · HN ↗
        This sort of ad hom attack is a bad look. If OP’s stance is so evil, say why.

        It’s ironic to see free trade maximalists, who are often associated with anti-woke, anti-DEI positions, be so “triggered” by protectionist stances. You’re not the first person I’ve seen react like this.

        As always, an intelligent, measured rebuttal will go miles further than an emotional outburst. And I say this as someone who (mostly) agrees that tariffs are bad.

        1. nozzlegear · · focus · HN ↗
          > It’s ironic to see free trade maximalists, who are often associated with anti-woke, anti-DEI positions

          Goomba fallacy, these are not the same people

          1. all_factz · · focus · HN ↗
            Plenty of overlap.
            1. nozzlegear · · focus · HN ↗
              Not what I'm seeing in my woke, pro-DEI, pro-free-trade circles. But I suppose if you generalize enough, anything will overlap with anything else, much in the same way that humans overlap with mammals.
        2. blargey · · focus · HN ↗
          Ad hominem is "you're evil therefore your statement is wrong", not "that statement is the mark of an evildoer". And they do "say why": "What right do you have to tell me what i do or do not need?"

          Either way, it's no lower in quality of argument than the wild assertion that everyone affected is just "importing things we really do not need" (what does that even really argue or justify?)

          1. all_factz · · focus · HN ↗
            They don’t explain why that is evil, it’s just asserted, and in a hysterical fashion at that.
            1. Pragmata · · focus · HN ↗
              If forcing others to conform to your own morals is not evil, then what is?
        3. Pragmata · · focus · HN ↗
          Ad hominem? I didnt attack him personally, i attacked his argument that he had a right to tell me what i needed.

          He doesnt, and so forcing me to obey him is evil.

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