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Seattle Bans Rental Junk Fees

70 points · 173 comments · toomuchtodo

  1. maerF0x0 · · focus · HN ↗
    We need a national law and FTC teeth to say "The price advertised is the final, final, all-in price you pay" and the right to demand the product be delivered at that price if you were advertised a price. This should include limits on dynamic pricing which "whoops the price changed for the worse between when we showed it to you and when you drove to the store..."

    As an example related to Renting. I once saw a place advertised for rent at a price in my budget. Booked a showing the next day. The dynamic pricing increased it several hundred dollars above my budget. The land lord (company) would not honor the price I booked my showing at. I immediately left saying I do not do business with such dishonest practices.

    We also need to ban using the renters as a captured audience for products.

    Edit to add:

    When I last rented from a big corp I got:

    $5 a month semi-mandatory fee on automated payments through their app (as if them handling a check would actually cost them less than an automated payment)

    Mandatory internet package through a single provider.

    "Resort fee" of $30 a month which was more than the cost of a proximal gym providing 10x the equipment.

    Move in charge - $50 just to move in as if I was going to rent but not move in?

    Move out charge - $50 just to move out as if I was going to not move out when my lease ended?

    I also think rent raises after a year's lease should be limited . Why is the 13th month 100% more as if I'm not a long term renter? It makes some sense for short term rentals but this isnt a 1 month rental, it's a 1 month extension to a long term rent.

    1. ryandrake · · focus · HN ↗
      There's nothing more American than not knowing the price you're going to pay for something until you have to pay it. This applies to everything from income taxes to health care to big ticket purchases like homes and cars, to airline tickets, to cell phone and cable service, all the way down to restaurants with tips and service fees and everything on the store shelf, where sales tax is not included in the price of the good. Somehow the USA has normalized this throughout its entire culture.
      1. pishpash · · focus · HN ↗
        Because of innumeracy. You can hide a business opportunity in basic arithmetics. If it's "too hard" to calculate people give up.
        1. scared_together · · focus · HN ↗
          I’m not an American, but here in Canada there are a lot of extra fees and such where I live as well.

          I don’t believe the problem is purely innumeracy on the consumer’s part.

          If companies clearly stated “A(B + C)” as a price, even people with poor math skills would understand that the price is not “B”.

          But it’s more like the price is advertised as “B” and “A(B+C)” only appears in fine print or seconds before payment.

          Your comment says you can “hide a business opportunity”. I would instead call that “being dishonest”.

          1. maerF0x0 · · focus · HN ↗
            In canada on many products the taxes are hidden in the shelf / advertised price iirc Gas, Alcohol, and Tobacco products have this feature. IMO it should be everything (still show the breakdown on the receipt, but instead of advertising the sub-total advertise the final price)
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