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1. bflesch · 1790014812 · focus · HN ↗

   Funny how Apple has reached the crapware maturity level that Microsoft users are quite familiar with: After first boot, go through a long list of things to deactivate so that one can experience at least some feeling of agency and privacy when using your own hardware.

   1. throw0101c · 1790016504 · focus · HN ↗

      > After first boot, go through a long list of things to deactivate so that one can experience at least some feeling of agency and privacy when using your own hardware.

      The difference is that you can actually not set these things up: with Windows you often have to choice. Macs allow you to not have an iCloud account and run just fine without them, whereas to avoid a Microsoft cloud account there are magic CLI incantations that have to be invoked. And once you say "no", Apple generally leaves you alone.

      I don't mind a bit of 'upsell' or informing (new) users of available offerings, as long as I get a choice.

      1. moose333 · 1790016930 · focus · HN ↗

         > Macs allow you to not have an iCloud account and run just fine without them

         Until you need to install an app through the App store. Even a free app will refuse to install without an iCloud account. Frustrating when you want something with a verified source, for me it was Wireguard, and don't want to build it locally.

         1. throwaway27448 · 1790017896 · focus · HN ↗

            > Until you need to install an app through the App store.

            Do you have an example of needing to go through the app store? There's apple's apps, I guess.

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