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The Claude Delusion

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  1. delichon · · focus · HN ↗
    > Indeed, the chatbot is less real than the character, because the character is the product of another mind, while the chatbot's words are the product of complex mathematical operations conducted over a massive database of all the words humans have uttered, arranged by their frequency in relation to one another.

    How is a fictional character the product of someone's mind, but a character generated from a massive database of words from other people's minds is not?

    1. WarmWash · · focus · HN ↗
      Silicon math can never be chemical goo math!
      1. lolakutty · · focus · HN ↗
        Wrong assumption that the chemical goo is only doing math....
        1. hardbass · · focus · HN ↗
          What's the non-math part you think? All of currently known physics is turing computable as far as I am aware.
          1. lolakutty · · focus · HN ↗
            currently known physics is not good enough..

            It is quite an arbitrary classification. What is so special about "current" knowledge...

            1. hardbass · · focus · HN ↗
              If you think current physics is insufficient but future physics might be sufficient, I can accept that but its still an unfounded belief. If you truly believe something "more" is needed, then you are placing a bet that always lost for centuries. Bets in anything supernatural or aphysical have always and consistently failed till now.
              1. lolakutty · · focus · HN ↗
                Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

                Not my words.

                1. hardbass · · focus · HN ↗
                  That magic means a different thing from supernatural magic.
                  1. lolakutty · · focus · HN ↗
                    Oh, What does it mean then?

                    You are so amusing....

                    1. hardbass · · focus · HN ↗
                      Its a purely physical mechanism but one that is currently beyond our understanding. "Magic" magic is belief in souls, eg brains have aphysical magic.
                      1. lolakutty · · focus · HN ↗
                        Why do you think "souls" can't have some physical mechanism that is beyond our current understanding?
                        1. hardbass · · focus · HN ↗
                          If you think "souls" have some physical mechanism then they are not souls by the definition I am using. We would then agree, though I do not yet think we have found reason for new physical laws to be required, however that can of course be a possibility.
                          1. lolakutty · · focus · HN ↗
                            >they are not souls by the definition

                            Kindly share that concrete definition..

                            1. hardbass · · focus · HN ↗
                              It should have been clear from our discussion when I said "souls" I meant belief in the non-physical. Magic juice in the brain that is unexplainable by physics at all.

                              Being unexplainable by current physics but explainable by future physics is not a "soul" by that definition.

                              1. lolakutty · · focus · HN ↗
                                > non-physical.

                                Now, what is your definition for this?

                                1. hardbass · · focus · HN ↗
                                  Go ask the people who believe in it. I for one cannot understand how something aphysical can affect our thoughts and decisions. But some think consciousness resides outside of physical systems entirely.
                                  1. lolakutty · · focus · HN ↗
                                    But you said it, so you should have a definition, or else what did you mean to communicate by saying it?

                                    Or are you just parroting cool sounding words and phrases?

                                    1. hardbass · · focus · HN ↗
                                      Define consciousness
                                      1. lolakutty · · focus · HN ↗
                                        All humans intrinsically understand it what that word refer to. So it is ok if we cannot define it in words. It conveys the idea..

                                        But "non-physical"? I don't have a clue what it means...Why don't you tell me..

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