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1. user_7832 · 1789989751 · focus · HN ↗

   I... don't know how I feel about this. I mean, the concept, sure, good idea. Is it reliable? Perhaps. But... I get a "buy merch" popup the moment I open the page, and there seems to be a pro option for what seems to be a very much LLM-aided app? ...IDK, rubs off a bit wrong IMO. Just my personal opinion.

   1. aogaili · 1789995197 · focus · HN ↗

      so what if it is "very much LLM-aided app"?

      We are going to have the organic label soon on apps with this mindset..AI assisted development is evolving by the day and at the rate most apps will be built that way..

      1. n4r9 · 1789995997 · focus · HN ↗

         I'd love a label like that which tells me when an app has had thought put into it

         1. aogaili · 1789996095 · focus · HN ↗

            You can put a lot of thoughts while using LLMs.

            You are equating manual coding with more thinking, which has proven to be not the case given that it is mostly automated.

            1. justacrow · 1789997220 · focus · HN ↗

               If the developer can't be bothered to not make it look vibecoded I assume there's a minimal amount of thought and effort put into it. And in that case I'm not going to bother using it.

               1. aogaili · 1789997804 · focus · HN ↗

                  Maybe this developer didn't bother I didn't even look frankly.

                  My point was that you can have very well designed and thoughted apps with LLMs. In fact, I'd argue you can go way further and deeper than any manual coded application paired with AI assistance.

                  But maybe this instance is not the case. But even if it turns out to be not the case, if the app does work and serves the utility you are after, then why not using it? People use many things in everyday life without thinking about what thought was put into it..in fact, most people don't think at all about what it took to build anything, and how it was built..

                  Do you really know or care if the shoes you wearing was handmade or built by a factory in china using robots? you probably don't know and don't care.

                  1. stetrain · 1789999217 · focus · HN ↗

                     > My point was that you can have very well designed and thoughted apps with LLMs.

                     If that were the case here, then a user of the app probably would not come away with the impression that it was a "very much LLM-aided app."

                     You're talking about how LLMs can be used in such a way that they help production of an app but remain invisible to the end user. But the beginning of this thread was someone using the app and coming away with the impression that it was heavily LLM influenced, which suggests that it was not done thoughtfully and did not remain invisible to the user.

                     1. aogaili · 1790000158 · focus · HN ↗

                        I get it, and frankly I don't know about this app.

                        But the parent comment positioned itself against all "LLM-aided apps", the author didn't say a slop or poorly coded. And even if it looks like LLM coded, we still can't tell about the level of thought that went into it. Developers had many poorly coded UIs and yet the apps functioned well and served it's purpose.

                        So the entire chain of reasoning is a form stereotype forming. Looking at this specific app, I can see that the author thought about the marketing/business and functionality, more than other alternatives, maybe because they had more mental bandwdith to do so.

                        1. n4r9 · 1790000474 · focus · HN ↗

                           To be fair, I personally only said that I'd like a label that indicates whether an app has "had thought put into it". That could involve e.g. another human reviewing the code and architecture and giving it a stamp.

                           1. aogaili · 1790001415 · focus · HN ↗

                              You are right - my apologies. It could be a good idea given that we will end up with so many doubts and comments like this.

                              1. clear0250 · 1790014471 · focus · HN ↗

                                 This comment and some of your other ones are giving off AI smells...

                                 1. aogaili · 1790016316 · focus · HN ↗

                                    I hand written each one of them, I think they are full of typos and grammatical errors as well since English is not my first language.

                                    I assume you are saying that because I apologized. I apologize for sounding like AI, I assure you it was hand written and I put thoughts into those comments.

                        2. stetrain · 1790003783 · focus · HN ↗

                           I don’t see how this comment is “against all LLM-aided apps.”

                           > But... I get a "buy merch" popup the moment I open the page, and there seems to be a pro option for what seems to be a very much LLM-aided app? ...IDK, rubs off a bit wrong IMO. Just my personal opinion.”

                           Again, if the user of the app comes away with the impression that the app “seems to be a very much LLM-aided” then the LLM usage has affected the end product.

                           1. aogaili · 1790016639 · focus · HN ↗

                              I think people are judging mainly the UI of the app. This is closed code app so they don't know, but they are judging by patterns in the UI and/or wording of documentation. And I think it is mainly tech or artists or whoever else is impacted by the AI usage.

                              That is not say there are really mindlessly produced apps out there. But the comment made it sound that anything LLM-aided is negative.

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