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Engineering Memory: On learning to memorize first 100 digits of pi (2024)

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  1. dominicrose · · focus · HN ↗
    Learning an entire Mozart sonata is probably easier. How much engineering there is in the memorizing or in the composition I don't know, a lot?
    1. seanhunter · · focus · HN ↗
      A lot of professional musicians memorize tons of music habitually. It's not very hard to be completely honest.

      Mozart only wrote like 20 piano sonatas and about the same number of violin sonatas. It's no exaggeration to say that most concert pianists or violinists probably know at least 5 of them just as a matter of course because they will have learned them at some point in their musical education and someone who specialised in the classical period would probably know all of them. My wife learns tons of repertoire when she's performing as most of her concerts are completely from memory and this includes a vast range of repertoire from the middle ages through very complex 20th/21st century music.

      Conductors often memorize monumental works as part of their preparation. Eg Zubin Mehta conducting Bruckner&#x27;s 8th from memory age 89. That&#x27;s a way way bigger piece of music than a Mozart sonata - super long and with massive forces. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;parsikhabar.net&#x2F;music&#x2F;zubin-mehta-at-89-still-commands-mammoth-bruckner&#x2F;30937&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;parsikhabar.net&#x2F;music&#x2F;zubin-mehta-at-89-still-comman...

      This is the same as how chess grandmasters know literally hundreds or possibly thousands of games. Extreme example: David Howell tests Magnus Carlsen <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;eC1BAcOzHyY?si=I-xJEo4NQUkLPDQ0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;eC1BAcOzHyY?si=I-xJEo4NQUkLPDQ0

      ...or jazz musicians know hundreds or possibly thousands of standards.

      You kind of have to know these things to perform. That being said with memorizing music you have a lot of structure that makes it easier whereas memorizing digits of pi or e you are learning a transcendental number so it may as well be random. You have to impose whatever structure you can, which must surely make it harder.

      1. neitsa · · focus · HN ↗
        This reminds me of this video [0] of Maria João Pires, who realized that she had prepared the wrong concerto while on stage, being visibly shocked and panicked (and the conductor telling her that there would be no problems as she knows the piece very well). She apparently played the piece perfectly.

        [0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=300t2DS3VdQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=300t2DS3VdQ

        1. dominicrose · · focus · HN ↗
          She can master her emotions also, playing instead of being angry after this communication issue.
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