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Kev: Tiny Jev-like family of decision models built on top of Qwen3.5

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  1. hbarka · · focus · HN ↗
    If Jev is fundamentally trained using RLCD while you’re building on a Qwen model that was trained using RLHF, how can the resulting model be considered Jev-like?
    1. mohsen1 · · focus · HN ↗
      I can't find it but saw that if you give Jev English alphabet as choices and ask it in a loop what model it is, it would say Qwen

      also tried myself: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;console.typesafe.ai&#x2F;playground?share=shr_1690a3160f19c2e4851b6a2883bcf17a790" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;console.typesafe.ai&#x2F;playground?share=shr_1690a3160f1...

      1. prodigycorp · · focus · HN ↗
        People seem to turn their brain off when it comes to this type of cargo culting. This doesn’t mean much. Qwen often identifies itself as Claude. Does that make it Claude?
        1. dr_dshiv · · focus · HN ↗
          Sort of implies its basis, doesn’t it?
          1. prodigycorp · · focus · HN ↗
            Then why doesn’t jev identify as Claude?
          2. cleaning · · focus · HN ↗
            Claude has identified itself as DeepSeek before if prompted in Chinese, is it DeepSeek?
            1. dr_dshiv · · focus · HN ↗
              evidence? I can&#x27;t get it to do that.
              1. cleaning · · focus · HN ↗
                Sure, here&#x27;s a few reports: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=47145081">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=47145081 <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;DeepSeek&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1rd5jw7&#x2F;claude_sonnet_46_says_its_deepseek_when_system&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;DeepSeek&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1rd5jw7&#x2F;claude_so...
          3. bityard · · focus · HN ↗
            No, it does not.
          4. dr_dshiv · · focus · HN ↗
            Guys, if it turns out to be based on Qwen, you are going to come apologize for the downvotes, right?
        2. irthomasthomas · · focus · HN ↗
          And Claude often identifies as Qwen or Deepseek when prompted in Chinese.
        3. mohsen1 · · focus · HN ↗
          see sister comment&#x27;s response <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49786548">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49786548
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