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1. Tepix · 1789986448 · focus · HN ↗

   Keep a close eye on abliterated and "heretic" open weight models. They will be outlawed first.

   1. roenxi · 1789988219 · focus · HN ↗

      It is not feasible. They never made much of an inroad against torrents and that is a much easier target than abliterated models. As the linked website shows; the process to abliterate a model can be as simple as

      pip install -U heretic-llm && heretic Qwen/Qwen3.5-4B

      let alone people just putting the weights up in a torrent. All assuming that someone even tried to ban abliterated models.

      1. Sayrus · 1789988805 · focus · HN ↗

         The torrents you are talking about are outlawed. Whether enforcement is working or not is another issue.

         1. galangalalgol · 1789993146 · focus · HN ↗

            I think that was the point being made? Outlawing something does nothing if enforcement is not feasible. The music and movie industries didn't crush torrents, they switched business models to streaming with prices being determined mostly by how much hassle was avoided by skipping the torrents.

            1. NewsaHackO · 1789993866 · focus · HN ↗

               I think a major difference is that while torrents are illegal, the main people enforcing it are copyright holders. I think the discussion would change if the government would label people who build/use/distribute "illegal" models as terrorists.

               1. Sharlin · 1789995271 · focus · HN ↗

                  Agreed. While the IP mafia (pardon the derogative) has vast influence on legislators and even the executive, it pales in comparison to the "terrorist" and "think of the children" scarecrows.

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