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Winning the visa lottery

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  1. JoshTriplett · · focus · HN ↗
    > Equally striking is what did not happen. Employment of low-skill American workers at losing firms did not increase. Across all firms the effect of foreign hiring on US employment was zero or positive, and in a prespecified subsample of rural firms it was significantly positive, with an elasticity of 0.61, meaning that for every one percent increase in H-2B workers there was just over half a percent increase in US workers.

    > "If you don't allow firms to hire immigrant workers, they just become smaller firms," Lewis said. "They are not replaced with US workers. Instead, the output of the firm shrinks, and there are fewer total workers."

    This is incredibly important. Everyone who fears immigration is going to take their job should read this and realize that fear is not only false but inverted.

    1. ljsprague · · focus · HN ↗
      China is really missing out!
      1. motionlessveloc · · focus · HN ↗
        There are over a million legal immigrants in China, plus an unknown but sizable number of illegal immigrants, mostly from Vietnam and Myanmar. Of course this is not a huge number compared to the overall population, but it's still a sizable number of people.
        1. luckystarr · · focus · HN ↗
          They still have enough unskilled labor they can pull from the country side. They pack up the village and ship them (relocate the people) to a city in need of workers.
          1. mkrecny · · focus · HN ↗
            why is this downvoted?
          2. motionlessveloc · · focus · HN ↗
            They increasingly don't (much of rural China is depopulating rapidly, with only the old folks left) and "pack up the village and ship them to a city" is not a thing, unless it's being demolished for a dam etc.
        2. weatherlite · · focus · HN ↗
          Lol a million immigrants, that's the net inflows the U.K is getting a year with a 60 something million population.
          1. t0mpr1c3 · · focus · HN ↗
            Wrong. There has never in the history of the UK been a year in which net migration has reached 1 million.
            1. weatherlite · · focus · HN ↗
              Really? "Estimates from the Office for National Statistics suggest that total net migration was 171,000 in 2025. This figure is lower than net migration levels during the 2010s and represents a sharp decline compared to the year ending March 2023, when net migration peaked at a historical high of 944,000 (Figure 2)."

              So we're gonna treat 944000 as less than a million I guess? If we also count illegals, as we should since they exist and keep arriving, that year was probably around a million. Even if we don't count them - it's very close to a million.

              <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk&#x2F;resources&#x2F;briefings&#x2F;long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk&#x2F;resources&#x2F;briefings&#x2F;lo...

              So to sum up : 2023 alone had (almost) the entire Chinese immigrant population come into the UK.

              1. t0mpr1c3 · · focus · HN ↗
                TLDR: the original statement was false, and not justified even with cherry-picked data.
                1. weatherlite · · focus · HN ↗
                  LOL. OK it was 944000 , I was off by 56000 people. You&#x27;re right, the comparison to China was totally acceptable &#x2F;s
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