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What happened to the Snowden archive

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  1. firesteelrain · · focus · HN ↗
    People became ambivalent. Snowden fled eventually to Russia. Some people viewed him less relevant over time as the archive merely trickled out. When he fled to Russia, he looked less like a martyr and more like a national security information leaker or spy like Robert

    A lot of what sounded extraordinary in 2013 is now baked into everyday discussion like metadata and mass surveillance. He is also available less for interviews because he is in Russia.

    Basically bigger fish to fry

    1. unsungNovelty · · focus · HN ↗
      He didn't "flee" to Russia. His passport was renounced/revoked/disabled while he was on his way to the original destination. He got stuck in the Russian airport for a freaking long time in a small room while the govt made sure he can't go anywhere else. Good Lord, fled to Russia it seems.
      1. firesteelrain · · focus · HN ↗
        He could have returned to the US. He chose to exile in Russia. He was already fleeing. I posted a bunch about it below
        1. maxbond · · focus · HN ↗
          If we're going to judge Snowden by the standard that he could've rectified his situation through a radical act of self sacrifice, then every US president has had the opportunity to pardon him and has failed to do so. It's an equally sensible proposition. It's plain to see that no US president would entertain the notion. Similarly, it's not reasonable to expect someone to return from exile without being offered some kind of clemency.
          1. lern_too_spel · · focus · HN ↗
            No radical act of self sacrifice would have been necessary had he only leaked illegal or possibly illegal programs. Instead, he went to Hong Kong and leaked a list of compromised Chinese networks and systems in hopes of getting asylum from China.
            1. mitxela · · focus · HN ↗
              If one country wants to kill you why wouldn't you flee to a different one and give them everything you have against the first country?
              1. Arodex · · focus · HN ↗
                Sorry, but is Russia or the USA the one most likely to kill Snowden? Oh, yeah, it isn't Russia, because Snowden avoids saying things that could trigger his KGB handlers to disappear him... Like denouncing a genocidal war of aggression against a neighbor, or the assassination of journalists and political opponents, or the repression of any opposition in the streets...
                1. pidgeon_lover · · focus · HN ↗
                  By leaking American info, Snowden painted a target on his back that can be reached by the USA and all allies with extradition agreements. That leaves him with very few superpowers who won't hand him over to the FBI/CIA and execution or imprisonment.

                  If I were in his shoes, I too would relocate to a superpower not allied with the USA and avoid getting involved in anything political over there.

                  1. Arodex · · focus · HN ↗
                    Execution? A few years of imprisonment at worst. Trump has pardoned worse people (the guy from SilkRoad for instance).

                    Russia may execute him anytime though. And his family. Easy to pretend he was killed by an Ukrainian bombing.

                    1. mitxela · · focus · HN ↗
                      Well when Trump pardons him, he'll come back. Trump won't pardon him, because Trump supports deep state mass surveillance.
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