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What happened to the Snowden archive

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  1. firesteelrain · · focus · HN ↗
    People became ambivalent. Snowden fled eventually to Russia. Some people viewed him less relevant over time as the archive merely trickled out. When he fled to Russia, he looked less like a martyr and more like a national security information leaker or spy like Robert

    A lot of what sounded extraordinary in 2013 is now baked into everyday discussion like metadata and mass surveillance. He is also available less for interviews because he is in Russia.

    Basically bigger fish to fry

    1. commandersaki · · focus · HN ↗
      I would say Snowden's legacy is the push to get HTTPS everywhere.
      1. Lammy · · focus · HN ↗
        Which ironically makes the Internet more surveillable, because now every single connection has to hit some TLS-terminating origin and can't be cached at the edge of our own networks. Don't confuse security with privacy.
        1. judge2020 · · focus · HN ↗
          What???

          The internet is only more concentrated because most people choose price and convenience over a foolproof level of security. The cost/effort required to surveil traffic in coordination with TLS-terminating CDNs is multiple orders of magnitude higher than the effort needed to throw some high-Tbps middlebox in an IX rack to siphon every packet passing through it.

          1. Lammy · · focus · HN ↗
            > in coordination with TLS-terminating CDNs

            Not what I'm saying. No coordination is necessary. I'm talking about metadata, not encrypted contents — just the fact that you made some number of connections, at a certain time, from a certain network, to a certain network, in a certain order, with requests and responses of a certain size. It really doesn't matter what's inside.

            - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kieranhealy.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2013&#x2F;06&#x2F;09&#x2F;using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kieranhealy.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2013&#x2F;06&#x2F;09&#x2F;using-metad...

            - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;kV2HDM86XgI?t=1072" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;kV2HDM86XgI?t=1072 “First of all, David&#x27;s description of what you can do with metadata […] is absolutely correct. We kill people based on metadata.” ― Former NSA and CIA director General Michael Hayden (2014)

            1. nl · · focus · HN ↗
              Sure, but hiding the contents provides a lot more value than hiding some parts of metadata.

              It&#x27;s ridiculous to argue otherwise.

              It&#x27;s true that general resources could be cached in some cases, but personalized information couldn&#x27;t be (and yes was served over HTTP, not just HTTPS).

              &gt; It really doesn&#x27;t matter what&#x27;s inside

              It certainly does matter what is inside, and it&#x27;s trivial to think of cases where it does. Hiding that content is much much more valuable.

              &gt; We kill people based on metadata.

              Sure, but they also kill people based on content.

              1. Melatonic · · focus · HN ↗
                Doesn&#x27;t encrypted DNS make a lot of that metadata moot ?

                And of course the additional options available

                1. jeltz · · focus · HN ↗
                  No, it doesn&#x27;t. You still see the domain name in the TLS headers.
                  1. commandersaki · · focus · HN ↗
                    Encrypted Hello will close that bit given time.
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