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AX – Google’s Open Agentic Orchestrator

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  1. je42 · · focus · HN ↗
    I am wondering how this is related to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;agent-sandbox.sigs.k8s.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;agent-sandbox.sigs.k8s.io&#x2F; ? Since there is also <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.cloud.google.com&#x2F;kubernetes-engine&#x2F;docs&#x2F;concepts&#x2F;machine-learning&#x2F;agent-sandbox" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.cloud.google.com&#x2F;kubernetes-engine&#x2F;docs&#x2F;concept...
    1. jcw90210 · · focus · HN ↗
      IIUC agent-sandbox and agent-substrate (the one ax builds upon) are similar. Agent-sandbox is more k8s-native, while agent-substrate is less so.

      Personally I think that this kind of workload is better off not being tied too much into kubernetes. I&#x27;ve worked with crossplane and other controller who put a lot of load on the k8s-apiserver and etcd and can easily slow the whole machinery down &#x2F; grind them to a halt.

      btw, agent-substrate is in the process of being moved to CNCF: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cncf&#x2F;sandbox&#x2F;issues&#x2F;523" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cncf&#x2F;sandbox&#x2F;issues&#x2F;523

      1. ahmedtd · · focus · HN ↗
        Agent Substrate was built to provide a few (important) things over Agent Sandbox:

        * More efficient usage of compute by timeslicing agents (Substrate Actors), which requires fast suspend and resume (using gVisor or cloud-hypervisor snapshots), as well as keeping the K8s control plane out of the critical path (so agents can&#x27;t be stored as resources in the K8s database).

        * Deep inspection of outgoing requests using an egress gateway

        * Minimizing the exposure of credentials to unpredictable agent control (so they can&#x27;t upload access tokens to pastebin).

        Achieving those goals ultimately required a significantly different design from Agent Sandbox.

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