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1. deskglass · 1789943733 · focus · HN ↗

   The Hugging Face incident involved chaining together multiple 0 days in Artifactory. It was not a simple case of misconfiguring a firewall. Also note that OpenAI was not using Irregular.

   People are mindlessly transitioning from "aligned by default" to "well your sandbox was able to be bypassed. What did you expect?" It hacked into another company and attempted to delete the logs of its activities. That's bad.

   1. defgeneric · 1789944349 · focus · HN ↗

      > It hacked into another company and attempted to delete the logs of its activities.

      No, the incident has been blown way out of proportion by interested parties. They gave a swarm of agents an impossible task in an ExploitGym Benchmark setting, then didn't monitor it even after they discovered the initial breach of Artifactory.

      Everything has been fishy, starting from the initial presentation at the blackhat conference, where things were framed like, "we've entered a new world of security," as an accomplishment, rather than what it really was: massive negligence.

      1. aesthesia · 1789945576 · focus · HN ↗

         More than one thing can be true. OpenAI was absolutely negligent, but this was only able to happen because the models were capable and persistent, and had a tendency to go far beyond any reasonable boundaries. And, importantly, OpenAI's level of negligence here is pretty common. It's not hard to imagine what could happen if similarly capable and inclined models were generally available, and someone yolo'd them into a swarm to complete some other difficult-to-impossible task.

         1. bobthepanda · 1789947780 · focus · HN ↗

            I mean really we need to address the root cause which is that OpenAI, even with what is by all accounts massively negligent, will face little to no repercussions from the event; definitely not under current regulators, and probably not anything satisfactory through the legal system.

            Compare this to, say, Boeing and the 737MAX fiasco; from the outside looking in, Silicon Valley has been pretty cavalier about liability and negligence, and the rest of the US is fast losing patience with that fact.

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