I saw a lot of ppl think about what jev could use under the hood and could someone explain why this can't just be an embedding model where we just embed all the input + decisions and give back the cosine (or whatever) similarities?
if you compare an embedding model to something like Jev which asks 100 questions and use the answers as the embedding you will be able to get move mileage out of the latter. especially because you don't need to train any classifiers for your task, you can work directly on the answers.
that said, I don't understand the hype. I have been doing what Jev does for 2 years now by just forcing json tokens onto an LLM. you can even get the LLM to think. and you can ensemble multiple LLMs.
I suppose the appeal of Jev is how cheap and fast it is, but then it's entirely unsuitable for anything but the most cursory extraction. using it to play games seems like a waste of time especially when most of those games will be played better by an algorithm written by an LLM (just give it the state and ask it to write a bot).
> I suppose the appeal of Jev is how cheap and fast it is
Ok, so you do understand the hype. I mean cost & speed are reaaaaally big issues for normal LLMs. If you can fill a specific use case way cheaper and way faster, that’s a fantastic development. We need more niche tooling that’s more efficient and better for niche use cases. Not everything has to be general purpose.
Not clear to me that playing games is the point of jev. This post is just a random fun experiment someone did because they wanted to.
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that said, I don't understand the hype. I have been doing what Jev does for 2 years now by just forcing json tokens onto an LLM. you can even get the LLM to think. and you can ensemble multiple LLMs.
I suppose the appeal of Jev is how cheap and fast it is, but then it's entirely unsuitable for anything but the most cursory extraction. using it to play games seems like a waste of time especially when most of those games will be played better by an algorithm written by an LLM (just give it the state and ask it to write a bot).
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Ok, so you do understand the hype. I mean cost & speed are reaaaaally big issues for normal LLMs. If you can fill a specific use case way cheaper and way faster, that’s a fantastic development. We need more niche tooling that’s more efficient and better for niche use cases. Not everything has to be general purpose.
Not clear to me that playing games is the point of jev. This post is just a random fun experiment someone did because they wanted to.