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I turned Jev into a (lousy) chatbot

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  1. petesergeant · · focus · HN ↗
    Jev has taught me the same lesson three times over now.

    When it first came out, I thought "this weekend, I'll do a little open-source Jev based on single-token prediction and the token logit output", but of course when it came to it, there were at least 5 that had already been done between me thinking that and getting around to it.

    So I wrote up[0] what other people had done, but wasn't happy with how weak the benchmarks were, but in the time between writing the first word and the last few, two excellent sets of benchmarks had been written, so I was able to incorporate those. I published the article, and one of the authors of one of the implementations commented that I'd beaten him to doing the write-up he'd wanted to.

    This morning I thought "huh, you could have some fun giving Jev a single letter or token at a time, turning it into a chatbot", but as the time of looking two people had already done this (and taken the gag further than I would have), and ... this is isn't either of the ones I'd found. I bet if you scratch the surface there already at leat 5.

    Time from idea to output has dropped off a fucking cliff.

    0: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sgnt.ai&#x2F;p&#x2F;jev&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sgnt.ai&#x2F;p&#x2F;jev&#x2F;

    1. applfanboysbgon · · focus · HN ↗
      Time from pointless idea to bad output, anyways. We aren&#x27;t seeing good software, and now neat hobby project ideas are getting harvested pointlessly when the only purpose of those ideas was the fun and learning of doing.
      1. margalabargala · · focus · HN ↗
        Good ideas are the survivors of lots of bad ideas.

        Slack is glorified IRC yet they&#x27;re worth billions.

        Dropbox can be trivially implemented via rsync yet they&#x27;re worth billions.

        1. bitexploder · · focus · HN ↗
          There is a canonical hacker news post about Dropbox being useless and a pointless idea at one point :)
          1. margalabargala · · focus · HN ↗
            The post is specifically about how it can &quot;trivially be implemented using rsync&quot; which is why I chose that verbiage :-)
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