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Samsung is expected to more than double output of its HBM4 and HBM4E DRAM

562 points · 458 comments · giuliomagnifico

  1. y1n0 · · focus · HN ↗
    I’ve often wondered about die thinning. I mean just looking at sd cards and micro sd etc, it was clear that there had to be a thinning step (or many steps) and it seemed amazing to me that such a complex step could be economically viable. And yet it clearly is. All a matter of being able to operate at scale I guess.

    It’s not a step I’ve seen discussed very much, so it was kind of neat to see it discussed front and center in a lay article like this.

    1. KurSix · · focus · HN ↗
      Yeah, the scale is kind of mind-bending. You're taking something that's already extremely fragile, grinding most of its thickness away, handling it through several more process steps, and somehow doing that cheaply enough for mass-market products.
      1. lazide · · focus · HN ↗
        Automation, automation, automation.

        Zero chance you could do it if a human had to touch the die/chip directly during those steps.

        But clean room + vacuum pick and place machine? A matter of fine tuning, and it should work just fine.

        1. HPsquared · · focus · HN ↗
          The skill is in the fine tuning, probably.
          1. lazide · · focus · HN ↗
            And the not screwing with it while it’s still working hah.
            1. HPsquared · · focus · HN ↗
              Another hard-won lesson, no doubt.
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