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US Revokes Limits on Power Plants' Climate Pollution

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  1. rayiner · · focus · HN ↗
    I don't see the point of trying to redefine "pollution" to include CO2. We have been discussing climate change for decades, but it was only recently that people tried to shoehorn CO2 into category of "pollution." It just takes a category where society has some consensus and then shoehorns some new disputed idea into existing category. It's an end-run around the process of building consensus around the new thing.
    1. Rygian · · focus · HN ↗
      The first ever version of the "Greenhouse gas" wikipedia page lists CO₂ as the first such gas (besides water vapor, obviously disregarded).

      That page is from 2002.

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      1. rayiner · · focus · HN ↗
        I&#x27;m talking about redefining the term &quot;pollution,&quot; not the term &quot;greenhouse gas.&quot;
        1. applfanboysbgon · · focus · HN ↗
          Carbon dioxide atmospheric pollution has been acknowledged since literally the 1800s. What era are you from? Are you 200 years old?
          1. rayiner · · focus · HN ↗
            Did we call it “pollution” back then or something else? That is, did we lump CO2 conceptually into the same category as soot from coal plants and things like that?

            Society uses labels to group things together so that we can treat similar things similarly for various purposes. For example, when we talk about “education” we usually mean teaching kids in schools or colleges. Of course, there’s lots of other things you can call “education.” But if the Department of Education comes in and says it’s going to regulate technical presentations at software conferences because that’s also “education,” then you’d say: “that’s not what people mean by the word education in this context.” That is, we have a consensus about what “education” encompasses and what it doesn’t for purposes of government regulation, and seminars at conferences falls outside that understanding.

            1. applfanboysbgon · · focus · HN ↗
              Yes we have literally been calling it pollution for 100 years before you were born
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