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US Revokes Limits on Power Plants' Climate Pollution

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  1. reactordev · · focus · HN ↗
    Full steam ahead towards greenhouse gases, climate change, and +5degree temperatures. Why not?
    1. jmclnx · · focus · HN ↗
      Normally I would be concerned, but these days, we are well on our way to 3.5C. All this will do is cancel out progess China and Europe is making on renewals.

      It is to bad these people do not care how much of a sucky life they are handing their grandchildren. Wait to see what happens when millions of desperate people living south of the 40th parallel start heading north in mass. No wall will stop that.

      1. billfor · · focus · HN ↗
        According to Al Gores movie (shown to US students) we were already supposed to be beyond 2C by now. When the ClimateGate "hide the decline" emails were released that also raised a few eyebrows. So saying the world is now going to 3.5C rings on deaf ears. That's not science that's just the fact of what actually happened so far.
        1. Supermancho · · focus · HN ↗
          Your narrative is repeated less and less because it isnt compelling.

          My narrative is substantially different because the trend was correct and 1.4 vs 2.0 does not prove a negative.

          The massive FUD and misinformation campaigns by industrialist operations, along with opportunist/capitalist denials and misdirection, has successfully confused enough of the US public to withold opinion on the matter. This has allowed politics to treat it as a marginal issue where there are 2 sides, rather than a morally catastrophic eventuality.

          1. consensus1 · · focus · HN ↗
            1.4 vs 2.0 is a massive miss because that diff isn't starting from 20 years ago, but rather a pre-industrial baseline. So the actual diffs are something more like +0.2 (actual) vs +0.8 (predicted) over that 20 ish year interval, and the prediction of the warming trajectory is off several times. (that is if the movie actually said that, which I didn't check).
            1. Timon3 · · focus · HN ↗
              Maybe you should check? Because we definitely weren't at +1.2°C warming in 2006.
        2. wat10000 · · focus · HN ↗
          Why are you getting your information from movies?
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