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US Revokes Limits on Power Plants' Climate Pollution

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  1. reactordev · · focus · HN ↗
    Full steam ahead towards greenhouse gases, climate change, and +5degree temperatures. Why not?
    1. sippingabonedry · · focus · HN ↗
      Sorry but you can't have EVs everywhere, WA and CA banning natural gas for heat and cooking, WA and OR sabotaging hydro plant output for salmon habitat restoration, while shutting down your most reliable sources of power. The math does not add up.

      Solar and wind output is not constant or reliable. NIMBYs sabotaged nuclear years ago. It takes how many years to bring a new plant online?

      A lot of feel-good rules and regs were passed, pushing a massive shift to electric power, with no consideration as to where the additional power would come from.

      You can't wave your arms like a Peanuts cartoon and have all that extra power appear, which is the logic that was used in passing many of these impractical regulations.

      1. toast0 · · focus · HN ↗
        > WA and OR sabotaging hydro plant output for salmon habitat restoration, while shutting down your most reliable sources of power.

        Have a closer look at the hydro dams that have been removed for salmon habitat.

        From what I've seen capacity was tens of MegaWatts [1] and some were just for irrigation. Meanwhile, large dams [2] are doing gigawatts.

        Large dams also have negative environmental effects and maybe one day they'll get removed too, but accepting the tradeoff for large amounts of power makes more sense than destroying samon fishing to get irrigation water or a piddly amount of power.

        Especially at a time when electrical power use was trending down due to efficiency gains and offshoring manufacturing, and samon fisheries were in danger of failing, it made sense to remove dams that weren't terribly productive. And start considering actually doing the work to make the larger dams fish friendly, eventually.

        [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20161221064310&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.water.ca.gov&#x2F;fishpassage&#x2F;docs&#x2F;dams&#x2F;dams.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20161221064310&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.water....

        [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Grand_Coulee_Dam" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Grand_Coulee_Dam

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