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US Revokes Limits on Power Plants' Climate Pollution

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  1. reactordev · · focus · HN ↗
    Full steam ahead towards greenhouse gases, climate change, and +5degree temperatures. Why not?
    1. sippingabonedry · · focus · HN ↗
      Sorry but you can't have EVs everywhere, WA and CA banning natural gas for heat and cooking, WA and OR sabotaging hydro plant output for salmon habitat restoration, while shutting down your most reliable sources of power. The math does not add up.

      Solar and wind output is not constant or reliable. NIMBYs sabotaged nuclear years ago. It takes how many years to bring a new plant online?

      A lot of feel-good rules and regs were passed, pushing a massive shift to electric power, with no consideration as to where the additional power would come from.

      You can't wave your arms like a Peanuts cartoon and have all that extra power appear, which is the logic that was used in passing many of these impractical regulations.

      1. reactordev · · focus · HN ↗
        Solar and wind is extremely reliable. What isn’t reliable is deployment of it.

        Energy storage is required along with solar farms.

        1. sippingabonedry · · focus · HN ↗
          Until the sun goes down at night or the wind stops blowing. You ignored the word "output".

          > Energy storage is required along with solar farms

          How many batteries are we going to need for that? They literally just figured out how to get the child slaves in the Congo out of the supply chain with a shift to LFP.

          1. Propelloni · · focus · HN ↗
            Fear really IS the mindkiller! Stop being afraid and start educating yourself. You are on HN, you are supposed to be smart.
            1. sippingabonedry · · focus · HN ↗
              Smart people understand pragmatism, which means not throwing the baby out with the bath water in the name of ill thought-out feel-good measures.
              1. harimau777 · · focus · HN ↗
                That is literally what you are doing right now.
              2. rainsford · · focus · HN ↗
                You're not being pragmatic, you're being myopic. Our current energy systems are the result of deliberate complex work. It seems shortsighted to think it's somehow the only system that can ever be built just because other systems have new challenges to overcome.
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