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1. alasano · 1789954573 · focus · HN ↗

   Haven't seen any Claude Code specific examples of Boris admitting he's wrong and then actually fixing things in the way the community wants.

   There are mind blowing bugs in CC that go unaddressed for months.

   Something like 15-20% of all Fable messages in CC are invisible to users. You've most likely noticed this when Claude references something it said but it never said it?

   It happens frequently when Fable outputs a message above a certain number of tokens just before doing a tool call.

   This has been going on for months. If "users can't see messages the agent sends" isn't a critical issue that gets addressed within 24 hours, I don't really care if you admit you're often wrong, we know.

   1. bcherny · 1789956512 · focus · HN ↗

      Author here. How can I repro what you’re seeing? Double check you don’t have /focus mode enabled.

      1. stingraycharles · 1789957621 · focus · HN ↗

         I’m surprised that you haven’t noticed this yourself, this is an incredibly common issue.

         I always thought that it was perhaps referencing something that’s in its hidden thinking tokens, but the grandparent’s explanation could also very well be it.

         1. alasano · 1789958917 · focus · HN ↗

            Yeah it's something server side if I recall correctly from the numerous threads, regular messages getting returned as thinking tokens or something strange.

            I've got a Claude session going which can check sessions and count how many of these messages I haven't seen due to this bug.

         2. bcherny · 1789968697 · focus · HN ↗

            I always use /focus mode, Tag, or Projects, so didn’t notice it personally. Either way, digging in.

            1. troupo · 1789975178 · focus · HN ↗

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               1. stingraycharles · 1789975632 · focus · HN ↗

                  This comment is needlessly hostile and adds no value to the conversation.

                  1. troupo · 1789991190 · focus · HN ↗

                     I feel like we should call the behaviour of people out.

                     That is the modus operandi of Anthropic and all of its employees (at least those active on social media).

                     More here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49785996">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49785996

                     This behaviour is regardless of whether the issue is an edge case or it affects most of their users who are shouting from the rooftops

                  2. albedoa · 1790009732 · focus · HN ↗

                     You actually don&#x27;t speak for us. On the contrary, it is because of threads like this that I am aware of bcherny&#x27;s reputation. You are woefully ill-equipped to be assigning value to anyone&#x27;s contributions or policing their tone, especially as someone who so eagerly laps up what he is fed by bad-faith actors.

                     &gt; I’m surprised that you haven’t noticed this yourself

                     How much money have you lost to crypto scams.

            2. jannyfer · 1789983852 · focus · HN ↗

               On a similar topic - since you said &quot;I always use&quot; - is it true that nearly everyone at Anthropic is using Fable and that&#x27;s why Opus 5&#x27;s style of speech was not really noticed as problematic by Anthropic employees?
      2. alasano · 1789958388 · focus · HN ↗

         Which one of multiple GitHub issues on this topic should I link to?

         #67071 is one of them

         Or #83281 which you closed as a duplicate of #67051 which was closed as not planned.

         There&#x27;s a bunch more. Just ask Claude to search repo issues for messages not being shown.

         1. bcherny · 1789959534 · focus · HN ↗

            Looking

            1. _345 · 1789961774 · focus · HN ↗

               Are there days when you forget to apply your framework or you feel lazy and cheat&#x2F;shortcut parts&#x2F;all of the framework?

               1. bcherny · 1789966273 · focus · HN ↗

                  Fairly often, yeah. Sometimes it is too easy to get excited about a solution without taking the time to specify a clear problem&#x2F;goal.

                  1. orta · 1789974234 · focus · HN ↗

                     Yeah, I feel you here :+1:
               2. cryptonector · 1790013809 · focus · HN ↗

                  I bet things fall by the wayside. The firehose volume is very high.
      3. troupo · 1789975114 · focus · HN ↗

         The typical Anthropic&#x2F;bcherny reaponse. &quot;I&#x27;ve never noticed this, can you tell me more&quot;.

         See literally every isssue, even those widely reported.

         1. epihelix · 1789976469 · focus · HN ↗

            To be fair, isn&#x27;t this the standard response to issues everywhere? Generally, users will find edge cases in odd scenarios that are difficult to reproduce.

            (But I do not use CC and have never looked at their issue trackers, so maybe I&#x27;m missing something.)

            1. troupo · 1789990954 · focus · HN ↗

               &gt; To be fair, isn&#x27;t this the standard response to issues everywhere?

               No, not really. Anthropic is notorius for ignoring issues, pretending they don&#x27;t exist, gaslighting and blaming users, then spending weeks fixing things that end up being obvious even to juniors.

               At the same time they proudly tell everyone how they don&#x27;t look at code anymore and only run a gazillion Claude sessions.

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