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  1. stared · · focus · HN ↗
    In the line, I recommend „The Egg” by Andy Weir <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.galactanet.com&#x2F;oneoff&#x2F;theegg_mod.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.galactanet.com&#x2F;oneoff&#x2F;theegg_mod.html
    1. ndarray · · focus · HN ↗
      Engage in the thought experiment that you are&#x2F;were&#x2F;will be every human for a sec. Is self-harm morally ok? Many would say yes. So &quot;the egg&quot; already gives those people a pass to hurt everyone else in this world because it&#x27;s a form of self-harm. Great. Now for those who explicitly don&#x27;t want to self-harm. &quot;The egg&quot; implies that your rebirths happen serially in meta-time. You live this life, then the next, then another,... those lives may overlap on earth, but in egg-time, they don&#x27;t. This means you can statistically expect you&#x27;ve already lived 50% of them. There&#x27;s no guarantee of this, but the distribution is normal, not uniform [1] (similar reasoning found in doomsday argument [2]). 50%, give or take, humans out there you&#x27;ve already been. Everything you do to them, you do to your PAST self. You&#x27;re not only absolved of moral accountability, but also of the physical consequences of treating them horribly. So while &quot;the egg&quot; tries to do the opposite, it really seems to justify psycho maxxing.

      [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Central_limit_theorem" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Central_limit_theorem

      [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Doomsday_argument" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Doomsday_argument

      1. c1ccccc1 · · focus · HN ↗
        The situation described in The Egg replaces morality with a direct reason not to harm others, because you are the person who will suffer because of it. So if you&#x27;re complaining that the story&#x27;s premise kinda eliminates our usual ideas about morality, my response is: Yes. That&#x27;s part of what makes it an interesting story.

        As for the meta-time thing, functional decision theory [1] solves this. The application is particularly clean because your memories are erased between lives. There&#x27;s no factor of 2 free lunch from temporal ordering.

        [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;1710.05060" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;1710.05060

        1. ndarray · · focus · HN ↗
          &gt; The situation described in The Egg replaces morality with a direct reason not to harm others, because you are the person who will suffer because of it.

          Or you&#x27;ve already been said person, in which case it won&#x27;t harm you anymore. Not to mention that it&#x27;s inevitable that you will hurt the victim because it already happened from the victim&#x27;s POV, who you&#x27;ve already been. The egg is in a fundamentally contradictory realm anyway because it&#x27;s asserting free will and same-universe time travel at the same time.

          &gt; the story&#x27;s premise kinda eliminates our usual ideas about morality

          Allowing for psycho maxxing, yes. You can take &quot;I should be a good person&quot; from it, but so far you haven&#x27;t made a compelling case. There&#x27;s no reason why you shouldn&#x27;t be an exploiter in 1-10% of your lives, living off the direct and indirect suffering of the 90%. Kind of like within a modern life you can choose to suffer 90% of the time (work, gym, studying,...) to get a halfway decent 10%.

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