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ChatGPT now knows what you do on other websites via ad collector

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  1. thih9 · · focus · HN ↗
    I am once again happy that the EU is fighting practices like these via legislation.

    Some outcomes can be annoying, but the net result is still positive, for the consumers and their data privacy at least.

    1. fooker · · focus · HN ↗
      > Some outcomes can be annoying

      I'd classify mandatory encryption backdoors as an industry crisis rather than an annoyance.

      1. patrickmcnamara · · focus · HN ↗
        When has the EU mandated encryption backdoors?
        1. buzer · · focus · HN ↗
          They keep trying it via e.g. chat control
          1. tensor · · focus · HN ↗
            The US has also tried it multiple times. So has Canada. It's been shut down each time. This isn't a unique to the EU problem.
            1. leonidasrup · · focus · HN ↗
              In the end, US doesn't need encryption backdoors because most chat and email protocols are not end-to-end encrypted and the TLS data streams are decrypted in the datacenter owned by US companies.
              1. xorcist · · focus · HN ↗
                The protocols themselves are not important anymore. It's all variants of http to Google or Amazon. What's important is control of the end user device, and Google and Apple keep a remote root connection with "their" terminals at all time. Any data that is obtained remotely will be from the presentation layer, not the network layer. This is also harder to US adversaries to access, so an argument could be made that for the majority of normal people this is a net increase in security.

                If you wanted to make the corresponsing strong argument for Chat Control and its ilk, the EU just wants (the juicy part of) what the US already has. The remote root level control of most end user devices is not under EU juristiction. So they naturally want companies operating in the EU to give them one piece of access to the presentation layer, too.

                This argument is what one must be prepared for, the encryption itself is less relevant..

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