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1. thih9 · 1789929279 · focus · HN ↗

   I am once again happy that the EU is fighting practices like these via legislation.

   Some outcomes can be annoying, but the net result is still positive, for the consumers and their data privacy at least.

   1. bko · 1789931867 · focus · HN ↗

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      1. Avicebron · 1789932258 · focus · HN ↗

         > The outcome is that very little serious technology or influential companies come out of Europe. And salaries for things like engineer are about a third of that in the US.

         So your argument is abusive practices are required for the creation of influential companies, serious technology, and high paying salaries?

         1. bko · 1789932432 · focus · HN ↗

            No but overly burdensome regulatory bodies that are concerned about such things like how the top of my bottle cap functions and how low i set my ac temp leads to an incredibly hostile business environment and stagnant culture.

            But like I said, nice place to visit for the time being.

            1. blauditore · 1789933994 · focus · HN ↗

               The obsession with ACs in some places (or rather people I guess) is something I will never sympathize with. Just wear reasonable clothes for the weather, no need to cool down below 20° C. And yes, I'm going to die on that hill.

               1. DavidSJ · 1789934153 · focus · HN ↗

                  Sometimes the temperature is much higher than 20° C, and it is very hard to be comfortable or do productive work.

                  1. the_gipsy · 1789935030 · focus · HN ↗

                     I never set my AC to lower than 25°C. Why would you need below 20°C? Is it something about having only a single unit for the hole house/office, where it's then uncomfortably freezing in one area, just to have a normal temperature in the distant areas? Crazy.

                     1. antonkochubey · 1789938817 · focus · HN ↗

                        > Why would you need below 20°C?

                        For example because I literally can’t sleep well above 20°C.

                     2. DavidSJ · 1790136272 · focus · HN ↗

                        Why would you need below 20°C?

                        I don't, and I don't think the "obsession with AC" is from people who do, it's just people who want a tolerable indoor environment in the summer.

                  2. blauditore · 1789935093 · focus · HN ↗

                     That's true, although having 19° inside when it's 30° outside is bad for several reasons. My office (in Europe) gets cooled down in summer to like 23°, and that's already inconvenient when wearing appropriate summer clothes. And no one is expected to wear formal clothing.
               2. LoganDark · 1789935309 · focus · HN ↗

                  Not everyone can tolerate 20C, you know. I know people who freeze at anything below like 25C, but I myself have trouble not sweating my ass off above like 18C. I don't wear additional clothes in winter (though maybe that's simply because winter here hasn't actually reached below freezing in years).
               3. bko · 1789936360 · focus · HN ↗

                  175k ppl die each year in Europe due to heat death. But I guess if you ignore that being slightly warm is not a big deal
               4. encom · 1789938448 · focus · HN ↗

                  What a shitty hill to die on.

                  I don't know if this is a genetic thing, but as a scandinavian who wears shorts down to like 12C, I am unable to function in >30C humid weather. Anything more labour intensive than drinking sangria on ice is not getting done. This year we had up to 37C in Denmark. If you're able to tolerate heat well, I'm happy for you, but my sleep was ruined for months this summer. Not to mention the people who literally died.

                  I'm investigating my options for at least cooling down the bedroom at night, because I'm not going through this nonsense again. Plastic straws are banned now and we're sorting garbage in 42 different bins, so I'm thinking that about evens it out, environmentally.

                  1. 6510 · 1789939364 · focus · HN ↗

                     I see the heat pump hype shaking my head thinking how people long ago use to build with mud and made walls 2-3 meter thick. It takes the entire winter/summer for the climate to get in.

                     The Amish hang wet bed sheets in front of the window (with a tob under it to recycle the water) not sure how well this works in the Netherlands with 95-99% humidity, it certainly wont raise humidity but evaporation might be shit.

                     Not every bathroom is fit for it but if there is no AC and things become unbearable I put the shower head upside down so that the ceiling and walls get wet and it rains everywhere. Then I daisy chain fans to "tunnel" the air into the bathroom. The temperature drops like a rock.

               5. johnnyanmac · 1789941914 · focus · HN ↗

                  We're talking about mid 30's to low 40's here. I can only get so naked.

                  But I don't tend to keep my AC below 24 personally. I don't need my room to be perfect room temper2

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