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1. 1saadcodes · 1789926607 · focus · HN ↗

   The technology isn't anything new but, it's the context that makes it so uncomfortable.

   People have very different "expectations" of privacy when they're having a conversation with an AI VS when they're browsing something like Facebook

   Not to mention Facebook is free whereas you pay for a GPT subscription

   1. ben_w · 1789926787 · focus · HN ↗

      I'm old enough to remember when people had expectations of privacy on Facebook, when the discovery that they didn't made for schocked headlines.

      1. bigyabai · 1789927821 · focus · HN ↗

         You know, Facebook, built by the guy who scraped college databases for personal information without the student's permission.

         There was never any expectation of privacy if you knew Zuck's history. Facemash almost got him expelled for violating individual privacy.

         1. ben_w · 1789929215 · focus · HN ↗

            That's the trick: in the early years, most people didn't know Zuckerberg's history.

            1. bigyabai · 1789933291 · focus · HN ↗

               Caveat emptor, the saying goes. If people don't have an appetite for privacy, don't expect them to take a principled stance based on outrageous headlines.

               It's not a coincidence that federally backdoored spyware like Windows is the most popular operating system in the world. I too remember the shocked headlines of the Snowden revelations, and ten-plus years later I work shoulder to shoulder with people that couldn't possibly care less. There is no expectation of privacy, HN too quickly extrapolates it's own virtue signalling to normal people that enjoy using spyware like TikTok, Facebook and Windows.

               1. ben_w · 1789977121 · focus · HN ↗

                  Lot of that, for sure.

                  But also, today, a lot of lawsuits about Facebook knowingly getting people addicted, and governments changing the laws to resist the general category.

                  But not, as you say, for Windows (and others*) spyware.

                  * I'm 95% sure the slow-walking of one very easy bug I (and others) reported to Ubuntu was there by government mandate, though obviously I couldn't guess which government.

                  Both the ISOs and the SHA256 hashes themselves were served insecurely until… my email archive says I reported in 2015 and it was closed in 2022.

      2. palata · 1789929187 · focus · HN ↗

         Back then I didn't have expectations of privacy, I think. I just didn't have a notion of privacy. I didn't think the internet was hostile, I believe?

         1. [deleted] · 1789934254 · focus · HN ↗

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