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The LLMentalist Effect (2023)

235 points · 309 comments · jalev

  1. bonoboTP · · focus · HN ↗
    I don't care if it's "intelligent", I don't care if it "has a mind". I don't care if it is "really reasoning", I don't care if it "understands". I don't care if it is "sentient" or "conscious".

    None of this matters for the practical outcome.

    You'd think that this has been understood over the last 4 years, but apparently it keeps circling back to this.

    [Edit: I see that it was written back in 2023. Then (2023) should be added in the submission title]

    If it generates functional output that works, then it works. And it works. It's not a psychic's con when it outputs Lean-verified proofs. It isn't a con when it can find and exploit zero-days.

    The OP is still in the "denial" phase. Most I see are already in "anger" (a blurry fury against everything AI-shaped, from vague reasons piling on all "bad stuff" political reasons they already hated before) or "bargaining" (mathematicians scrambling to come up with a new definition of their job and retcon that it was always the main part anyway). A few are already in "depression" and feel like spectators on the Titanic, and the tiniest sliver is at "acceptance" with some kind of well-informed plan for their future.

    1. devin · · focus · HN ↗
      I’m not sure acceptance buys you much. “Well-informed plan” at this stage feels like a useless exercise. It is changing fast, and the world only needs so many electricians. Besides, I don’t think “accepting” the fact that these big companies are pillaging human contribution and selling it back to us is good, even if “it works”.
      1. kerabatsos · · focus · HN ↗
        I’d argue a well-informed plan allows for creative adaptation.
        1. devin · · focus · HN ↗
          Maybe I'm just light on imagination or something, but I honestly wonder what you would qualify as a "well-informed plan" in the current scenario? I've thought a lot about it and the whole "potential for the mass unemployment of knowledge workers" thing makes a lot of planning kind of useless IMO. If you are affected, it's going to be a bad time. If you're unaffected, the people who are will inundate your profession with cheap labor anyway.
          1. rpdillon · · focus · HN ↗
            My mental model is that humans will continue to be needed. Many jobs will embed AI in them. Using AI well is a skill. I need to understand the technology, where it is strong and weak, and how it develops over time so I can employ it effectively in my work, and advise others on how to do so. Basically, I need to learn how to be skilled with it. This is tough because things are changing rapidly, so I have to invalidate my cache when advancements happen. This means staying curious, not settling into a specific work pattern, but rather experimenting regularly to see how I can leverage AI in my work.
            1. devin · · focus · HN ↗
              Sure, but I wouldn’t call this a “well-informed plan”. I’m a programmer. Learning new shit has always been the job.
              1. rpdillon · · focus · HN ↗
                Oh, I had considered it well-informed, but otherwise agree. You can't stand still in this industry.
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