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Spain orders blocks on Archive.today and its mirrors

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  1. nottorp · · focus · HN ↗
    Apparently all of south western europe blocks half the internet in the name of football. Besides Spain there's also Italy, France, Portugal and surprisingly the UK somewhat.
    1. gabaix · · focus · HN ↗
      France has blocked Polymarket since the World Cup in June.

      This was requested by the state gaming license authority, which sanction the betting business in France. Most of the business benefits the “Federation française des jeux”, the state gaming company.

      Officially this was done out of concern for the safety of the French citizens.

      1. saulapremium · · focus · HN ↗
        >Officially this was done out of concern for the safety of the French citizens.

        Gambling regulations exist in most places in the world, including the US. With good reason.

        1. petcat · · focus · HN ↗
          The US doesn't block websites. Occasionally the FBI will seize a domain after a court order, but that's it.

          French people were already forbidden from transacting on Polymarket and Kalshi, and the services themselves were forbidden to take any market orders. Nobody disagrees with the regulations.

          But apparently the French government still thought it was so dangerous that they needed to block the websites completely to protect the French people from themselves. This is where the line is crossed. There wasn't even a court involved at all.

          This happens all over Europe. The citizens give their governments the power to block things, or mass surveillance in the name of "safety" and then they just take everything and EU citizens are left wondering why.

          1. mitxela · · focus · HN ↗
            The US already blocked Polymarket long ago and replaced it with a neutered US version. They know everyone uses VPNs to get around this, so they're trying to force the US version to be the only worldwide version.
            1. petcat · · focus · HN ↗
              It was just a regulatory block, not an ISP-level government block which is what we're talking about here.
              1. mitxela · · focus · HN ↗
                Because they didn't have to do an ISP block. If they had to, they would have.
                1. petcat · · focus · HN ↗
                  No they wouldn't have, because that's illegal in the US.
                  1. mitxela · · focus · HN ↗
                    If that's the case and they need to, they'll just make it legal.

                    <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Internet_censorship_in_the_United_States" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Internet_censorship_in_the_Uni...

                    1. petcat · · focus · HN ↗
                      Lots of goal post moving here.

                      The US government cannot compel ISPs to block websites. The only time it was tried was in 2022 to block some Israeli piracy site, and the federal court dropped the block within weeks after being hammered with first amendment lawsuits.

                      What we are seeing happening in Spain, France, and all across the EU, is literally impossible in the US.

              2. barrkel · · focus · HN ↗
                What they do instead is scoop up execs when they travel through the US.

                Peter Dicks, David Carruthers

                State violence is used to ensure compliance, so that companies self-censor.

                1. adventured · · focus · HN ↗
                  Well that&#x27;s pretty easily avoided then.

                  Don&#x27;t travel through the US.

                  1. mitxela · · focus · HN ↗
                    Any flight near the US can be diverted to the US. Russia uses this tactic too.
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