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Spain orders blocks on Archive.today and its mirrors

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  1. nottorp · · focus · HN ↗
    Apparently all of south western europe blocks half the internet in the name of football. Besides Spain there's also Italy, France, Portugal and surprisingly the UK somewhat.
    1. chronogamous · · focus · HN ↗
      Your comment has got me genuinely intrigued. Would you care to elaborate how football has anything to do with the internet at all? (I'm writing this from northern Europe & as someone who has been avoiding football like the plague most of his life)
      1. officialchicken · · focus · HN ↗
        There was a case at the highest court in Spain where LaLiga[0] sucessfully claimed that illegal streaming was causing hundereds of million of euros in damages. They essentially petitioned for mass blocking of IPTV, causing Cloudflare, NordVPN, ProtonVPN and a few others to get caught up in a sloppy and stupid dragnet. Whenever there is a football match on, a not-so-small chunk of the internet becomes unavailable. After the match is over, it works again.

        [0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.laliga.com&#x2F;en-GB&#x2F;news&#x2F;official-statement-in-relation-to-the-blocking-of-ips-during-the-recent-ea-sports-laliga-matchdays-linked-to-illegal-cloudflare-practices" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.laliga.com&#x2F;en-GB&#x2F;news&#x2F;official-statement-in-rela...

        1. torcete · · focus · HN ↗
          I think I should add that Cloudflare (based on USA) doesn&#x27;t refuse to block those IPTV, but they require the block mandate to come through a United States court. La Liga believes that this is pointless, by the time that has happened the match would have been over weeks ago. So they asked a Spanish judge to allow them to compile a list of IPs and send them to the Spanish ISPs to block them. Of course the ISPs are forced to comply. Well, behind these Cloudflare&#x27;s IPs is not just IPTV, but a lot of legitimate webpages.
          1. embedding-shape · · focus · HN ↗
            &gt; Well, behind these Cloudflare&#x27;s IPs is not just IPTV, but a lot of legitimate webpages.

            Which was horrible and had lots of collateral damage when these blocks were initially implemented, but when you were affected, you wrote a complaint that the website been collaterally blocked, and the next time they did the &quot;match blocks&quot;, the website was no longer blocked.

            Now years after, nothing of value is blocked during the games, at least for me on Vodafone, I don&#x27;t even notice the blocks anymore (besides hearing the neighbors screaming during the matches themselves).

            It&#x27;s a horrible idea in general, and clearly against both our &quot;European Values&quot; and Spanish constitution, as we should have access to a free internet which clearly isn&#x27;t true. But on the other hand, it&#x27;s important to reflect the situation as it is right now, in the real world, rather than lamenting about what was.

            1. Cantinflas · · focus · HN ↗
              &quot;but when you were affected, you wrote a complaint that the website been collaterally blocked, and the next time they did the &quot;match blocks&quot;, the website was no longer blocked.&quot;

              Care to elaborate? They block by IP, that&#x27;s not granular at all. What complaint mechanisms are you talking about?

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