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Spain orders blocks on Archive.today and its mirrors

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  1. peri-cl · · focus · HN ↗
    <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;2YdN9" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;2YdN9
    1. Lio · · focus · HN ↗
      This is so funny.

      An article about internet censorship of an archive site that requires an archive site to read!

      That’s Brilliant! :D

      1. tyrabound · · focus · HN ↗
        I find it far more ironic that they are called Reclaim the Internet.

        I am dating myself, but I remember the Internet. It’s rather ironic too that the actual Internet, literal and figuratively free internet, was always doomed from the start, just like AI is effectively doomed in terms of it being some kind of productivity tool or amazing thing you can use to build your own thing, because the logical conclusion is very bad for most people, including the technorati types here that think themselves above it and immune.

        If you’re shocked and surprised by the way there Internet was maneuvered into the surveillance prison Flock made itself the poster child of at the hands of Mr Langley, take that trajectory and lay it over AI, but only at exponential rates. You don’t have to believe me, it won’t matter either way, it’s happening, short of the Soviet style implosion of the “American” empire.

        Maybe once the planet has been made uninhabitable to biological life there will be an AI robot cybernetic splinter group trying to “reclaim humanity”.

        1. visarga · · focus · HN ↗
          You can&#x27;t host the internet on your machine, or download a &quot;Google&quot; or &quot;Meta&quot; but you can download a local model. So I don&#x27;t think AI will lead to more centralization. Besides local models, the interface itself - prompt based steering - is eminently more open ended that apps or websites ever were. Cloud or local, you get more control now as a user.
          1. darkwater · · focus · HN ↗
            But you cannot train an open weight model by yourself, and maybe there could some distributed training net ran by thousand of volunteers around the world in the future, but until we get there we will still be tied to BigCo (American, Chinese or wherever in the world) decisions.
            1. rusk · · focus · HN ↗
              You would need institutions to do this? What do we have besides global megacorps with the resources for this? Universities perhaps training models for their local catchment?
              1. nradov · · focus · HN ↗
                We&#x27;ll probably see a few middle-tier countries like France or Japan training their own national LLMs that they can control. Even if it&#x27;s expensive, this will eventually be just as critical to national sovereignty as having nuclear weapons. They don&#x27;t want to be completely dependant on the USA or China.
                1. rusk · · focus · HN ↗
                  I can see a pan European project like CERN or Airbus where sovereign nations with aligned values pool their resources, as being useful here
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