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English: A vs. An

365 points · 529 comments · azhenley

  1. deliciousturkey · · focus · HN ↗
    As a native speaker of a language without articles, I find the English article system by far the most intuitive and easiest to learn of all the languages I have studied. Most other Indo-European languages have articles that you simply need to memorize, as there is no way to derive them from the word itself. Which I never manage to do.
    1. nlitened · · focus · HN ↗
      You probably mean word genders? So you probably say it's sometimes difficult to derive the gender of a noun, hence the correct article
      1. andoando · · focus · HN ↗
        Genders in language is seemingly such a needlessly pointless concept I am really confused as to how it ever developed.

        I still feel Armenian is such a great Indo European language. No articles, no genders, completely phonetic, consistent verb endings, no particular word ordering

        1. my-huge-pony · · focus · HN ↗
          As a native speaker of a language with genders, it's not complex if you're a native speaker (basically nobody ever makes grammar errors related to gender when speaking/writing). As for their role, I think they may work as a simple error correction code (if genders in the sentence don't match, you misheard something)

          FWIW I struggle with using English articles and past/present/future perfect time, because those concepts are absent from my language. Despite decades of experience with English at this point.

          1. ivanjermakov · · focus · HN ↗
            > nobody ever makes grammar errors related to gender

            For most words, yes. Some loanwords are tricky to gender because of their declension. For example gender of &quot;coffee&quot; in russian is highly disputed: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;russian&#x2F;comments&#x2F;h08q29&#x2F;the_insistence_on_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B5_having_masculine_gender&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;russian&#x2F;comments&#x2F;h08q29&#x2F;the_insiste...

            1. tiagod · · focus · HN ↗
              In (European) Portuguese some people (I&#x27;ve seen this more in older people) use feminine for hamburgers (like in Spanish, afaik), but most people use masculine. I guess it would make sense to be feminine because it&#x27;s a sandwich, and sandwich is feminine.
              1. ivanjermakov · · focus · HN ↗
                In Russian it&#x27;s quite common too. Car can be feminine (машина), masculine (авто&#x2F;автомобиль), and neuter (транспортное средство).

                And different car brands usually have their own gender too: for example Mercedes is usually masculine even though named after founder&#x27;s daughter, and Honda is isually feminine.

                1. tiagod · · focus · HN ↗
                  The brand gender is really interesting. We will usually use the gender of the type of vehicle. So for saying &quot;My Honda&quot; we will use masculine if it&#x27;s a car (O meu [carro] Honda), but feminine if it&#x27;s a van (A minha [carrinha] Honda).
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